Imagine being this cold hearted...

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 12:20PM #1

This article explains how a reasonably large percentage (over 10%) of people who are HIV+ don't bother to tell their partner until after they've had unprotected sex with them, or don't bother to tell them at all.

That's sick... kind of worrying.

I know people will say, "well, that's what condoms are for", but everyone knows alcohol/etc. can affect your judgement sometimes...

Hmmm.

damnyanks · 20-02-2004 12:30PM

Supposidly its common for people with HIV/AIDS (Whichever is the correct one) go into deniel and sleep around to "prove" they dont have it.

Kone · 20-02-2004 12:47PM

That's fukt up!

User45701 · 20-02-2004 12:49PM

It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 01:36PM

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Please tell me you are joking.

Hobart · 20-02-2004 01:39PM

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

So it's ok to give somebody HIV (or any other incureable disease) because they have done something wrong?

What a muppet :rolleyes:

BuffyBot · 20-02-2004 01:42PM

While I've every sympathy for anyone this happens to, alchohol/drugs aren't an excuse. They are in control of their own bodies and make their own choices about safer sex. If they put themselves into a state where they can choose responsibly, that is their problem.

When it comes to this kind of stuff, you can't trust anyone.

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 01:45PM

Originally posted by BuffyBot
While I've every sympathy for anyone this happens to, alchohol/drugs aren't an excuse. They are in control of their own bodies and make their own choices about safer sex. If they put themselves into a state where they can choose responsibly, that is their problem.

Yeah, but we're not vulcans, we're human. People make mistakes. Living a life of fear and caution is not a life at all...

When it comes to this kind of stuff, you can't trust anyone.

Hell is other people!

hedgetrimmer · 20-02-2004 01:47PM

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Quite clearly one of the most disturbing thought processes I have seen of boards.ie in a while:dunno:

BuffyBot · 20-02-2004 01:49PM

Yeah, but we're not vulcans, we're human. People make mistakes. Living a life of fear and caution is not a life at all...

Yes, we're human. With all the mental power and capacity for rational desicion that entails. Having that doesn't equate to a life of fear and caution.

ixoy · 20-02-2004 01:59PM

It's not half as fukt up as the Rolling Stones article of last year, where they talked about those people who deliberately slept around in the HOPE of contracting AIDS. Now THAT is screwed up.

Catsmokinpot · 20-02-2004 02:08PM

Originally posted by ixoy
It's not half as fukt up as the Rolling Stones article of last year, where they talked about those people who deliberately slept around in the HOPE of contracting AIDS. Now THAT is screwed up.

Jebus is that true?:eek:

BuffyBot · 20-02-2004 02:15PM

Originally posted by Catsmokinpot
Jebus is that true?:eek:

Course it is. That's mild compared to some of the stuff that goes on out there on the net, though Rolling Stone et al did milk it a tad.

ykt0di9url7bc3 · 20-02-2004 02:16PM

bug chasers...

Evil_Bilbo · 20-02-2004 02:17PM

Reminds me of a (pretty sick n twisted) joke

Man in jail cell about to be buggered by cellmate.

"Stop" he cries, desperately trying to get out of a bad situation "for your own sake - I'm HIV+"

"Thats okay" says the cellmate "so am I"

Capt'n Midnight · 20-02-2004 02:35PM

One way of looking at it is that if you are sexually irresponsible then you are more likley to have picked it up in the first place. This coupled with the possible selfish perception of the worst has already happened to them and negative reactions aociated with disclosure.
So overall I'm more suprised that the hetrosexual percentages are so low.

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 02:41PM

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
So overall I'm more suprised that the hetrosexual percentages are so low.

It's extremely difficult for hetero men to get HIV. That's why the transmission rate is so low...

Check out cdc.gov and the body for info...

The thing is, what is sexually irresponsible? Are you saying that if you meet a girl, start having protected sex, she becomes your girlfriend, you would NEVER have unprotected sex until she got a HIV test?

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 02:47PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
she becomes your girlfriend, you would NEVER have unprotected sex until she got a HIV test?

depending on respective situations. yes. Its not that phenomanal. It requires a modicum of self control and no more.

Pink Bunny · 20-02-2004 02:47PM

That article is really disturbing!!
What bothers me is that everyone acts like if you practice "safe sex" you will be ok. BUT I saw a show about this and a doctor was interviewed and he asked this question, "As long as he was wearing a condom, would you have sex with someone you knew had AIDS?"
If you answer "no" to that question, then you shouldn't have sex with anyone unless you were postively sure they weren't HIV postive, because condoms don't always work.

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 02:49PM

Originally posted by uberwolf
depending on respective situations. yes. Its not that phenomanal. It requires a modicum of self control and no more.

I get the feeling you aren't very sexually experienced. Correct?

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 02:50PM

incorrect

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 02:54PM

Sure...

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 02:59PM

I don't appreciate your tone although I can see the argument your insinuating. Don't confuse maturity with sexual experience, and don't assume they are inextricably linked.

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 03:01PM

Originally posted by uberwolf
I don't appreciate your tone although I can see the argument your insinuating. Don't confuse maturity with sexual experience, and don't assume they are inextricably linked.

Are you really telling me, if you were completely pissed, a beautiful girl is naked in front of you and spreads her legs, you wouldn't have sex with her (even for a few minutes) condomless?

Seriously??????? Come on... you're human... of course you would...

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 03:05PM

you're original situation involved premeditaded long term situation. a world apart form your new situation.

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 03:09PM

Well I've suggested both. In either case, with enough alcohol it's very likely no condom would stop the average (99.999999999999%) man having sex...

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 03:15PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Well I've suggested both. In either case, with enough alcohol it's very likely no condom would [sic] stop the average (99.999999999999%) man having sex...

Been there and somehow coped. My argument is that in the context of your original post, if you had no details about ur GFs past but had an idea it may have been liberal or guest starred in Jays journey then you'd be a fool/ terminally ill fool not to have enough respect for your own body to hold off.

You ever had yourself tested? Would you sleep with your escort friends (from another thread) unprotected after two months of exclusive protected sex?

Johnny Versace · 20-02-2004 03:24PM

Depends. I really do believe escorts are safer than a "typical" girl as the escorts I know ALWAYS use condoms. The average girl does not. However, I don't think I would unprotected though.

...

I don't believe you would use a condom unless you were 100% certain of their std status. There are situations where the brain can be bad... Maybe you just haven't been in one of those situations yet?

Anyway, let's not argue. We're going a bit OT!

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 03:36PM

I was once in the situ were the brain could have been bad, could barely stand with the drink, still used a johnny. With a cailín two years now so not getting into those situ's at all, although we've always had protected sex as well. Thats down to preperation, if you know you're going to be with someone then there's no excuses. if i was single i'd carry one (maybe two

) at all times

adonis · 20-02-2004 03:49PM

after two years,
and still ...
no way, what ever about johnny and his escort friends,
when are you going to break free from the constraints of latex man?

uberwolf · 20-02-2004 03:50PM

TBH when I'm in a position to face the responsibilities of unprotected sex...

Imagine being this cold hearted...

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