Imagine being this cold hearted...

Johnny Versace

This article explains how a reasonably large percentage (over 10%) of people who are HIV+ don't bother to tell their partner until after they've had unprotected sex with them, or don't bother to tell them at all.

That's sick... kind of worrying.

I know people will say, "well, that's what condoms are for", but everyone knows alcohol/etc. can affect your judgement sometimes...

Hmmm.

damnyanks

Supposidly its common for people with HIV/AIDS (Whichever is the correct one) go into deniel and sleep around to "prove" they dont have it.

Kone

That's fukt up!

User45701

It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Please tell me you are joking.

Hobart

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

So it's ok to give somebody HIV (or any other incureable disease) because they have done something wrong?



What a muppet :rolleyes:

BuffyBot

While I've every sympathy for anyone this happens to, alchohol/drugs aren't an excuse. They are in control of their own bodies and make their own choices about safer sex. If they put themselves into a state where they can choose responsibly, that is their problem.

When it comes to this kind of stuff, you can't trust anyone.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by BuffyBot
While I've every sympathy for anyone this happens to, alchohol/drugs aren't an excuse. They are in control of their own bodies and make their own choices about safer sex. If they put themselves into a state where they can choose responsibly, that is their problem.

Yeah, but we're not vulcans, we're human. People make mistakes. Living a life of fear and caution is not a life at all...

When it comes to this kind of stuff, you can't trust anyone.

Hell is other people!

hedgetrimmer

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Quite clearly one of the most disturbing thought processes I have seen of boards.ie in a while:dunno:

BuffyBot

Yeah, but we're not vulcans, we're human. People make mistakes. Living a life of fear and caution is not a life at all...

Yes, we're human. With all the mental power and capacity for rational desicion that entails. Having that doesn't equate to a life of fear and caution.

ixoy

It's not half as fukt up as the Rolling Stones article of last year, where they talked about those people who deliberately slept around in the HOPE of contracting AIDS. Now THAT is screwed up.

Catsmokinpot

Originally posted by ixoy
It's not half as fukt up as the Rolling Stones article of last year, where they talked about those people who deliberately slept around in the HOPE of contracting AIDS. Now THAT is screwed up.

Jebus is that true?:eek:

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Catsmokinpot
Jebus is that true?:eek:

Course it is. That's mild compared to some of the stuff that goes on out there on the net, though Rolling Stone et al did milk it a tad.

ykt0di9url7bc3

bug chasers...

Evil_Bilbo

Reminds me of a (pretty sick n twisted) joke

Man in jail cell about to be buggered by cellmate.

"Stop" he cries, desperately trying to get out of a bad situation "for your own sake - I'm HIV+"

"Thats okay" says the cellmate "so am I"

Capt'n Midnight

One way of looking at it is that if you are sexually irresponsible then you are more likley to have picked it up in the first place. This coupled with the possible selfish perception of the worst has already happened to them and negative reactions aociated with disclosure.
So overall I'm more suprised that the hetrosexual percentages are so low.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Capt'n Midnight
So overall I'm more suprised that the hetrosexual percentages are so low.

It's extremely difficult for hetero men to get HIV. That's why the transmission rate is so low...

Check out cdc.gov and the body for info...

The thing is, what is sexually irresponsible? Are you saying that if you meet a girl, start having protected sex, she becomes your girlfriend, you would NEVER have unprotected sex until she got a HIV test?

uberwolf

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
she becomes your girlfriend, you would NEVER have unprotected sex until she got a HIV test?

depending on respective situations. yes. Its not that phenomanal. It requires a modicum of self control and no more.

Pink Bunny

That article is really disturbing!!
What bothers me is that everyone acts like if you practice "safe sex" you will be ok. BUT I saw a show about this and a doctor was interviewed and he asked this question, "As long as he was wearing a condom, would you have sex with someone you knew had AIDS?"
If you answer "no" to that question, then you shouldn't have sex with anyone unless you were postively sure they weren't HIV postive, because condoms don't always work.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by uberwolf
depending on respective situations. yes. Its not that phenomanal. It requires a modicum of self control and no more.

I get the feeling you aren't very sexually experienced. Correct?

uberwolf

incorrect

Johnny Versace

Sure...

uberwolf

I don't appreciate your tone although I can see the argument your insinuating. Don't confuse maturity with sexual experience, and don't assume they are inextricably linked.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by uberwolf
I don't appreciate your tone although I can see the argument your insinuating. Don't confuse maturity with sexual experience, and don't assume they are inextricably linked.

Are you really telling me, if you were completely pissed, a beautiful girl is naked in front of you and spreads her legs, you wouldn't have sex with her (even for a few minutes) condomless?

Seriously??????? Come on... you're human... of course you would...

uberwolf

you're original situation involved premeditaded long term situation. a world apart form your new situation.

Johnny Versace

Well I've suggested both. In either case, with enough alcohol it's very likely no condom would stop the average (99.999999999999%) man having sex...

uberwolf

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Well I've suggested both. In either case, with enough alcohol it's very likely no condom would [sic] stop the average (99.999999999999%) man having sex...

Been there and somehow coped. My argument is that in the context of your original post, if you had no details about ur GFs past but had an idea it may have been liberal or guest starred in Jays journey then you'd be a fool/ terminally ill fool not to have enough respect for your own body to hold off.

You ever had yourself tested? Would you sleep with your escort friends (from another thread) unprotected after two months of exclusive protected sex?

Johnny Versace

Depends. I really do believe escorts are safer than a "typical" girl as the escorts I know ALWAYS use condoms. The average girl does not. However, I don't think I would unprotected though.

...

I don't believe you would use a condom unless you were 100% certain of their std status. There are situations where the brain can be bad... Maybe you just haven't been in one of those situations yet?

Anyway, let's not argue. We're going a bit OT!

uberwolf

I was once in the situ were the brain could have been bad, could barely stand with the drink, still used a johnny. With a cailín two years now so not getting into those situ's at all, although we've always had protected sex as well. Thats down to preperation, if you know you're going to be with someone then there's no excuses. if i was single i'd carry one (maybe two ) at all times

adonis

after two years,
and still ...
no way, what ever about johnny and his escort friends,
when are you going to break free from the constraints of latex man?

uberwolf

TBH when I'm in a position to face the responsibilities of unprotected sex...

Capt'n Midnight

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
It's extremely difficult for hetero men to get HIV. That's why the transmission rate is so low.....

Actually I was referring to the %'s who don't tell their partner.
.

The thing is, what is sexually irresponsible? Are you saying that if you meet a girl, start having protected sex, she becomes your girlfriend, you would NEVER have unprotected sex until she got a HIV test?

Stuff like dodgy one night stands on the side, without doing everything possible to protect the longer term partner. Junkie hookers etc. - stuff that would be classified as living dangerously. Not getting checked up if there is a problem etc. The usual reprehensible behaviour , someone of whom you could say " you don't know where they've been"

Victor

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
It's extremely difficult for hetero men to get HIV. That's why the transmission rate is so low... Check out cdc.gov and the body for info...

Thats very dangerous talk

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1402/table9.htm indicates that 13% of men with HIV/AIDS got it though hetrosexual infection. While engaging in safe sex (using a condom, knowing your partner's history, getting tested and maintaining a monogamous relationship) cuts the rate of infection, it doesn't completely eliminate it. This contrasts hugely with your "It's extremely difficult for hetero men to get HIV".

John R

Originally posted by User45701
It would be wrong to do that if your parter did nothing wrong,
howeaver if they did do something wrong then sex is just a weapon of retalation (A very cruel heartless retalation)

Hmm, very disturbing and also very illegal, if you were aware that you had HIV it would be a serious crime to have unprotected sex with someone.

Agent Smith

afaik a man in the state's had sex with his wife KNOWING he had hiv, and he is now locked up because of it, cant remember what news source i heard it from tho, might be just hearsay

GuanYin

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
It's extremely difficult for hetero men to get HIV. That's why the transmission rate is so low...

You have no idea how wrong you are. In two healthy individuals during consentual heterosexual sex, a man have a higher than 50-50 chance of getting HIV. Actual figures are being reviewedas we speak due to findings that the last WHO survey was flawed.

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Check out cdc.gov and the body for info...

Statistical occurance and transmission rates are two different things.
To say that a low percent of those actually infected with HIV are men who have only ever been exposed through sex with a woman and to say that the probability of transmission from infected female to male during unprotected sex is low are not the same.

Lenny

Originally posted by agent smith
afaik a man in the state's had sex with his wife KNOWING he had hiv, and he is now locked up because of it, cant remember what news source i heard it from tho, might be just hearsay

They look at your record, see when you got tested and let know about having it.
then anyone you sleep with after that you get 5 years per person in jail(could be 7 not too sure)
lotsa people have been locked up for it.
sure remember a few years back, in around the 90's when aids started to get on the rise in ireland and a young girl had contrated it from africanman, she went on a rampage and slept around with loads of men and infected all them becasue she couldn't take it she was going to die. the aids in ireland is mostly african hiv/aids so its been brought over from those black people and from dirty pervs getting prostitutes

D!ve^Bomb!

Originally posted by Lenny
the aids in ireland is mostly african hiv/aids so its been brought over from those black people

:rolleyes:

BuffyBot

sure remember a few years back, in around the 90's when aids started to get on the rise in ireland and a young girl had contrated it from africanman, she went on a rampage and slept around with loads of men and infected all them becasue she couldn't take it she was going to die. the aids in ireland is mostly african hiv/aids so its been brought over from those black people and from dirty pervs getting prostitutes

I really hope this is a troll post, I do.

That whole "Aids Mary" thing was made up by a priest

"Months went by, and although parishioners continued to take the roman-collared vector's word as gospel, health officials could find nothing to substantiate the priest's claims. Indeed, speaking to his credibility, a follow-up article about this man made mention of another improbable tale he was now spreading:


Six months later, he is still the local hero. The latest story about Father Michael Kennedy, curate of Dungarvan, Co Waterford, is that he saved a woman's life recently. Apparently, he made a late night house call to an elderly woman. There was no reply at the door and he called the gardai. They broke in and found her collapsed on the floor with hypothermia.
It did not make the papers but most people in town have heard about it. The gardai in Dungarvan have no record of it, but that does not mean it did not happen, they say.

In other words, this is one yarn spinner of a holy man."

Taken from Snopes. It was also well reported as a hoax at the time

As for your claim regarding AIDS being brought over by "black people", it hardly justifies a reponse.

Lenny

Originally posted by BuffyBot

As for your claim regarding AIDS being brought over by "black people", it hardly justifies a reponse.

Read that fact in the paper and had heard it on the radio when there was a discussion about it

Lenny

Program on Hiv/Aids on bbc1 now about it in africa and being brought to uk/ireland

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Lenny
Read that fact in the paper and had heard it on the radio when there was a discussion about it

Well, it must be true then :rolleyes:

Lenny

Ah **** off, I'm only voicing me opnion and what I read on paper

Victor

Yes, a small, but significant number of people in Ireland with HIV/AIDS are people (adults and children) who have come from sub-Saharan Africa, however the vast majority are still in those from the high risk groups of intravenous drug users, gay men, people infected through blood products and increasingly heterosexual women.

GuanYin

Originally posted by Lenny
the aids in ireland is mostly african hiv/aids so its been brought over from those black people and from dirty pervs getting prostitutes

Alot of people travelling over were infected and many of the new recorded cases were immigrants, this is true. However, these people have not significantly altered the projected infection rate previously predicted and 20-30 year old white males still make up the largest infected group in this country.

androphobic

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Are you really telling me, if you were completely pissed, a beautiful girl is naked in front of you and spreads her legs, you wouldn't have sex with her (even for a few minutes) condomless?

Seriously??????? Come on... you're human... of course you would...

How many kids do you have that you don't know about Johnny?? Have you ever been tested for STDs? You really should consider it.

And what's the relevance of "even for a few minutes"? Do you think that's gonna make a difference? Do you think you can only contract a STD if you have sex with someone for more than 5 minutes or something? I don't understand at all.

I really don't get your logic. I don't understand how the pleasure of having unprotected sex can somehow outweigh the risks you're taking by doing so. Sleep around all ya like but wear a condom for god's sake.

Originally posted by uberwolf
TBH when I'm in a position to face the responsibilities of unprotected sex...

Respect

Falkorre

When you have seen somone you loved die of an a.d.i. (AIDS defining illness) you realise a few things.

You realise that this is a disease that dosent descriminate, age, race, sex, inclination, it dont care.

You realise that nothing is worth going through what happens once ur +, nothing, remaining chaste ur entire life is preferable, (but if ur not an idiot, you dont have to be), and *if* you are somone who loses control of ur ability to control your survival instinct when drunk, then get help and dont drink!

its here, has been a long time, it dosent care WHO u are, it kills slowly and painfully, and a lot of people besides you, some of whom u may love, suffer for years after you have gone.

IMHO, anyone who says they would sleep with somone without protection, is not just extremely stupid, they are dangerous and need some serious help. Because if you get drunk to the point of putting your life in danger, which, be under no illusions, is exactly what ur doing every time u have unprotected sex, then you have a problem.

B

kiffer

Originally posted by Dawntreader
*if* you are somone who loses control of ur ability to control your survival instinct when drunk, then get help and dont drink!

here here.
Thats pretty much what I was going to post.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by syke
You have no idea how wrong you are. In two healthy individuals during consentual heterosexual sex, a man have a higher than 50-50 chance of getting HIV. Actual figures are being reviewedas we speak due to findings that the last WHO survey was flawed.

No, you are totally wrong here. If this was the case, we'd all have it.

As I said, read the facts!

Still, I think people should have safe sex.

GuanYin

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
No, you are totally wrong here. If this was the case, we'd all have it.

As I said, read the facts!

Still, I think people should have safe sex.

No I'm not. I worked for a long time on HIV clinical research.

uberwolf

decided to read the article, well the start at least. I didn't realise it refered to nonexclusive partners (read one nighters). So whilst it doesn't change the moral side of it, it renders the crux of the debate this thread generated meaningless. If you pick up a one nighter, gay or straight, and proceed to have sex with them unprotected you are a not very smart.