Campaign for admittance to nightclubs....

18 year olds always seem to be the one's who start fights in clubs!

I disagree, There is no doubt that 18/19/20 year olds do start fights, I don't think it's more, maybe equal. Also I think that it is easier to marginalise younger people because they don't vote as much or don;t seem to bother with letters to TDs and stuff. So, when they are excluded the fight rate goes down so it looks good. if they exuded people under 40 maybe the fight rate rate would be tiny but trough their own fault younger people are easier to marginalise but that is no excuse.

What if black people were excluded the fight rate would go down because some black people fight in clubs but that does not mean all black people do but by saying "Since we excluded black people fights have droped " kinda sounds like all black people fight thus is legitimatises it some what.

I don't think age can be used in the same way as race when it comes to equality.

I disagree, if we make exceptions in what equality means and we see effects for they better (even though it is only because of what has been explained above) then we will start making exceptions in other areas. This would be deleterious to our whole society.

Why is it fair to exclude someone based of things they can't change fair? One can't change one's age just like one can't change one's race. Being young does not make you a scumbag the same of being Muslim does not make you a terrorist.

dendenz I like your idea and will send a letter myself and will help however else i can. However even if we got the tds to accept our point it would require legislation to amend back the recently amended Equality act as amended by the intoxicating liqur act 2003 which would take ages. Maybe we could lobby for someone/somebody to make a legal challange.

18-21 yr olds are far too immature especially in groups to behave themselves in a nightclub.

I am 18 and have never been in a fight in a night club so I am sorry but you are wrong.

In anticipation to your response to that I imagine you were talking in general terms even so I would disagree However, even if it is true I am auguring against excluding people based on the actions of others especially something so fundamental and unchangeable like age.

Fair play to nightclubs operating a policy of barring this age group, the chances of getting a night out ruined is alot slimmer.

If you want a tip on how not to have your night ruined by people fighting it is to go to a club with only you there. That is not me being flippant thats reality of living in Ireland these days, I agree it is a sad situation but Ce la vie. It is not only 18-21 who fight but every age and as i said in the last post when you remove them of course the fight rate will go down and to get it to go down further remove 21-40 and drunk people then women, everyone but catholics.

Can I pose a question to you? What would opionion be if you wanted to get into a club a there was an over 40s only policy because a granny was there and someone 25 years old was fighting and she thought they were "far too immature especially in groups to behave themselves in a nightclub."Please don't say you would go somewere else because that is an option but say alot of clubs were implenting this policy and one of them had a good act on or you enjoy yourself in there or something and you realy wated to get in but these power high grannies thought you fought too much. What would you feel about that?

This argument is so stupid.

I think that a club/pub should have the right to refuse ANYONE. That way, you know what type of people will be in there, and won't have to put up with a group of immature spa 18 year old's who overdo it.

If you get refused for wearing runners for example - then the people in the club obviously DON'T wear runners, and they (as well as the management) don't want you there.
If you get refused for being too young, then tough sh*t - go somewhere where a younger crowd hangs out. It's obviously an older crowd who drink in that particular establishment.

It's really quite simple.....
If you get refused for any reason - you're OBVIOUSLY not wanted in there, so go somewhere where you'll fit in. You're trying to hang with the wrong crowd - whether it be age, social status, appearance, dress code......
Why would you want to get into somewhere where people will just sneer at you because you don't fit in?

Everyone should have the right not to have to put up with certain people too.
If I want to drink somewhere with a more mature crowd (i.e. not a bunch of 18 or 19 yeat olds who spill drinks and dance like goofballs, throw shapes, and act like knobs), I am happy in the knowledge that there are places like that.
If I want to drink somewhere without knackers or scumbags, I take comfort in the knowledge that certain places don't let them in, etc....

So stop moaning because you can't get in somewhere - YOU'RE NOT WANTED IN THERE ANYWAY!! Try "Copper Face Jack's" or "The Vatican" or some other sh*thole where you'll fit in.

I think that a club/pub should have the right to refuse ANYONE. That way, you know what type of people will be in there, and won't have to put up with a group of immature spa 18 year old's who overdo it.

You may know what age/race/gender on people are in there but, you do not know what "type". Being in a club full of 21+ year olds does not equal no fights.

Why would you want to get into somewhere where people will just sneer at you because you don't fit in?

Do people sneer at others for being too young? TBH, I would have thought that they wouldn't have noticed or cared. Some ignorant people sneer at gay people in clubs maybe they should be barred to save them the embaressment.

Everyone should have the right not to have to put up with certain people too.

You do have that right but the perogative is on you to avoid them not them to avoid you. And they olny way to do that in my opinion is to ignore them or stay at home.

or some other sh*thole where you'll fit in.

I was going to take offence to that but then I realised that you have no idea what you're talking about.

As you said, they have the right to bar you if you are under 40. Anyway, the choice of music could be better or worse, too many grey haired people on the dancefloor, someone of my or your age would stick out a mile.

I don;t think they have the right to but the do have the power to under the new legislation. I accept that maybe the music would be bad in there but i was inviting you into a thought experiment to imagine if you wanted to go in with a friend maybe or parent what would your opnion be?

But you have not reached 21 yet, there is plenty of opportunity for you to act like a yobbo along with any fellow immature 18-21yr olds.

I plan on living longer than when i reach 21 so there is along timeleft for me to be a yobbo. Being 18 does not put me in a greater risk of being in a fight.

The risk of 18-21yrd olds ending up fighting and causing general mayhem is huge in contrast to other age groups.

I'm not sure about that, but lets say i do accept that maybe if we treat them like adults they will act like them and those who don't a.k.a. scumbags are excluded.

fed non-alcoholic drinks

Surly I can have a west coast cooler shandy instead

I consider that quite different to a club that doesn't allow blacks, or asians...

Care to offer an insight into why if different?

When I was eighteen, I wouldn't have wanted to be in a night club full of twenty two year olds

To be honest it doesn't bother me what age the patrons are in fact I like a good mix. The music tastes are the same because *shock and awe* I don't listen to westlife and most 18 year olds don't and tgose that do don;t expect to hear it in night clubs and if it is played that is the DJ fault.

Kapper, just get over it and stop winging. There's a reason why you're not getting into specific places, so deal with it.
Your username describes you perfectly.

nobody should be refused entrance if

1)they are 18 or over
2)they are not pissed off their face
3)they are dressed appropriately

im not buying these simple minded philosophies that late night club opening hours are adding to violence on our streets or the idea that 18-21 year olds cannot handle their drink.