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Edinburgh Stabbing Incident (Thread bans in OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Generally can't stand Piers Morgan but he's spot on here, though he should obviously name Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe and Elon Musk as the main fascist instigators.

    I mean this stuff is so obvious. The richest and worst people on earth are behving like Bond villains to try and destroy societies. Boards.ie itself has a really horrific racism problem as seen on that rancid sewer of an immigration thread. Racists obviously have organised campaigns to flood forums like this one with vile bullshlt to try and create the impression racism is the majority position.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You are correct that men are more likely to commit violent crime.

    You must be very worried that the majority of our asylum seekers are men.

    Bringing more men into the country means more violence.

    You agree we need to do something about how we handle asylum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,023 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What does that actually mean though? The only way you could prevent non nationals who might might potentially commit a crime in Ireland from doing so would be literally ban all immigration to the country, with no exceptions.

    "Import criminals" is a meaningless soundbite in the context of also importing huge numbers of law abiding and hard working people - the vast majority of people.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    …literally ban all immigration to the country, with no exceptions.

    I believe that this is what a lot of posters actually want but tart it up as faux concern, etc.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    They also want to deport tens of millions of people from Europe under the slogan "Remigration". If people can't refuse to admit the echoes of the Holocaust right tthere then it's clearly because they want another one.

    "Remigration" means another Holocaust.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Still crickets from the usual racists. They want to talk about anything except the reality of their violent ideology and its real life manifestations such as the anti-Muslim Edinburgh stabbing rampage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Your post is meaningless unless you can tell us who these posters are and why you believe that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Nah, you could do this by having more strict criteria around immigration.

    Must have proof of a job secure, certain educational attainment, no previous convictions, no entitlement to claim social welfare or live in social housing, that would at least help reduce the number of potential scumbags. Won't get rid of them all of course but will help reduce the numbers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,023 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm the puzzled by the idea that the way to solve violent knife crime is to pass a few new laws and all will be well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,023 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The laws on immigration are pretty strict already. No EU citizen can claim social welfare unless they have been working for two years and paying taxes here for example. Not sure how the educational attainment one would work in terms of preventing crime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I never said it was possible to prevent non nationals commiting crime. That is obviously an impossibility.

    It is however possible to introduce measures to reduce the numbers of non nationals within a country commiting crimes.

    One measure is to know the background of people permitted to reside or visit a country. Background checks for past offences are routinely carried out before residency or travel visas are granted. This is a non controversial measure, I'd struggle to think of countries that do not do this. For non EU nationals entering this country, their visa status should be checked to determine whether they are eligible to enter.

    For EU nationals that enter and wish to reside in the country, we should enforce the EU rules regarding residency and assistance. There is a given maximum amount of time permitted to seek and gain employment, Ireland could enforce this. People residing longer than this without employment should have to demonstrate means to live here, and to demonstrate the source of those means (to determine that it is not through criminal activity). If seeking social welfare or other assistance, EU nationals should be assessed to determine whether they have made sufficient voluntary contributions to avail of this. If not, deport. This obviously wouldn't rule out criminals, but generally people in stable employment of means are less likely to commit crimes.

    For non EU nationals seeking asylum at point of entry, we should have some information verifying their identity and country of origin. This should be cross checked against other European databases for records of prior asylum claims or criminal records. We should also check for criminal records and confirmation of identity from stated country of origin if possible.

    People who arrive without identity documents should be refused asylum, entry into the country and any form of housing or social assistance until they can verify their identity. If they cannot do this, they have likely availed of smuggling with people traffickers. Incentivising such inflows by providing asylum allows these criminal networks to flourish.

    Post edited by OscarMIlde on
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    It will be the usual general comments extrapolating things no one ever said and vague pronouncements about racism and dog whistles.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    2 years isn't enough, should be more like 20 years

    Far less likely to be a scumbag if you have college degree than not having one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,700 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    A man has appeared in court charged with five counts of attempted murder
    linked to terrorism, following alleged anti-Muslim attacks in Edinburgh.

    Five people were hurt at various locations in the city on Friday night.

    Lewis Hawkes was also charged with assault and robbery, breach of the peace and culpable and reckless conduct.

    He appeared in private at Edinburgh Sheriff Court. The 36-year-old made no plea and was remanded in custody.

    Hawkes was also charged with one count of assault and robbery, two counts of breach of the peace and two counts of culpable and reckless conduct.

    All of the charges were "aggravated by reason of having a terrorist connection".

    I wonder which social media accounts this racist fcukwit followed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    What a bizarre load of scour

    You still haven’t told us how the government run death camps are going to appear…almost is if you were talking complete rubbish and drawing cheap and trivialising parallels to the holocaust in a vain attempt to add some emotional heft to your aimless rambling

    You’ve not made any points bar the baseless accusations of racism that you’ve made up yourself - more cheap lies.
    No point in hoping for a genuine debate (or whatever it is you’re trying) with a liar like you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,436 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    People like you think the "lesson" of the Holocaust is that we should never again mention it, until six million more people have been exterminated.

    Racists use the Holocaust to enable more genocidal slaughter. See Israel. See the whole of the far right worldwide. See Britain now. See our resident plastic "paytriots".

    And your claims to "condemn" the real manifestations of the right wing insanity we see all over this forum (as well as pretty much everywhere else in the information space) are as weaselly as Jim Allister's words of "condemnation" of Jeffrey Donaldson.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Have Elon Musk, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage or Rupert Lowe tweeted outrage at the racist stabbing rampage in Edinburgh?

    Or do they only express outrage when they know they can whip up gangs of racist thugs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    More baseless, lying bollocks

    You are an utter liar

    Last time I’ll be interacting with you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Understandably you're furious at your real position (as opposed to the one you mendaciously like to portray) being pointed out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    They never said they support Rupert Lowe (who is a genuine right wing provacateur who associated with actual white supremacists). They never said they support racism or support the holocaust.

    They said 'the deportation of unmeritorious asylum seekers to their countries of origin'. Unmeritorious means they don't meet the criteria for seeking asylum. They are actually just asking for rules to be implemented, which is actually something that favours and helps genuine asylum seekers.

    You have extrapolated from that comment that they are a far right individual who supports genocidal slaughter. Completely unfair and unhinged posting.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,182 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    It’s just weird behaviour

    I suppose the cheap smears and lies are obviously the last refuge of a chancer with nowhere to go

    You’d think boards might be a bit more proactive in addressing this kind of activity rather than genuine posters having to waste their time on this nonsense

    At the very least, the poster’s dishonesty and transparent bad faith are clear for all to see. Will be a happy addition to the ignore list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    They literally came onto the thread to dispute its existence. You only do that if you don't want crimes that are inconvenient to your narrative being highlighted.

    The crime in this instance was a far right terrorist hate crime. That far right terrorist is representative of the views of mainstream right wing politics in the UK, which has descended into the far right sewer.

    Anti-immigration posters on this forum, as with everywhere else, hide behind lies and weasel words - "we're not racist", "we're not anti-immigration", "we just want the laws implemented".

    But any cursory examination of any of these posters' posting histories makes clear what's really going on.

    It's always about being racist while lying that they're not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    So no evidence that anyone is racist, in fact clear declarations that they are not racist by the posters but you magically have discerned that they are secretly racist and get to accuse them of supporting genocide and the holocaust.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭XopherIE


    It doesn't fit their agenda.

    All violence no matter skin colour/nationality/religion should be condemned full stop.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    So I just deleted a whole raft of posts that were just sniping between posters. More may be deleted on review.

    If this continues to morph into yet another clone of the Immigration Thread, it will be closed. Discuss the incident in Edinburgh, and resist the urge to rehash agruments from other threads.

    -Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    "Clear declarations they are not racist by the posters"

    Bloody hell🤣

    All racists on forums say they are not racist. Independent Ireland say they're not racist. Independent Ireland say they're not racist. They are. Gript say they're not racist. They are. Farage says he's not racist. He is. The whole lot of them insult our intelligence for kicks.

    When a poster comes onto a thread to deny racism on the part of racist posters, the strike rate of that poster being a racist is about 100%.

    If pretty much your entire time on forums is spent complaining about immigration and immigrants and how much immigrants are a problem and "I'm not racist but…" blah blah blah, and then trying to derail threads that highlights the crimes of racists, you're a stinking racist.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    @Arseboxing Do not post on this thread again.

    -Mod



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