General British politics discussion thread

True, however, history in the Middle East didn't start 3 months ago.

I don't disagree that many voters care more about local issues than they do international, or certainly middle east ones, but that doesn't mean that this particular issue isn't something that is worth paying attention to.

Sure, I don't disagree with the premise per se, but look at the discussion.

According to many people, Starmer didnt fail because he lacked authority or a coherent vision of what he wanted to achieve; he failed because is a backer of 'Genocide'.

Look at Burnham, someone posted something about him saying something quite banal about Israel 12 years ago, yet the knvies are out.
Burnham is already a failure because of this, not because of his economic policy, tax policy, foreign policy or whatever other vision he has, domestic or otherwise; his mutterings about Israel make him a dead duck already. This is the level we are at.

It's like calling a potential PM a failure because of his taste in socks or toothpaste.

 These same structures are being undermined and all but defanged because powerful countries, institutions and individuals feel that they can ignore them if they wish while insisting they be used to protect their interests in the next breath.

You said earlier that the issue in the UK and elsewhere, and the swings to the left/right in the population, were due to changing society/Social Media. "Democracy" is the issue, and I kind of agree.

While this is true, the growth and internationalism, globalisation, treatism, NGO's and all the things we are in hoc to yet powerless to change are also a reason behind this. If a nation state votes to do X but can't because of "well treaty this says that, we can't do it, suck it up.." then what is really the point of democracy? This is more of a philosophical question, but we in Ireland are going to be grappling with this question as well. The UK and other countries in Europe are at the eye of the storm. In other words, while all those things are lovely and admirable, it also means that we have abstracted away democracy and the ability of voters to make their voices heard and enact change. The blowback in the rise of populists, especially the populist right, is not a surprise.

And if none of this matters to you, as others have pointed out, the cost of living that IS impacting Joe in Slough is partially an outcome of the whole of Western Society being manipulated in to allowing Israel wreak havoc in the middle east.

Interesting you blame Israel for this, and not the right wing theorcractic islamofacist regime in Tehran that is actually blocking the Strait. That says a lot.
If we are all so concerned about Internationalism, Human Rights and so on, why are we letting Tehran get away with their behaviour over the course of the past decades?
You want Israel brought to heel, grand. Let's do that. But why let Iran get away with it as well? What shall we do with them? Who are the world's policemen that will bring both Iran and Israel to heel?

So, sure, let's throw Bibi and a bunch of his cabinet in Jail for Gaza and let's throw a bunch of the IRGC into jail for murdering up to 40,000 of its own people? But how? Please explain this to me, as it seems internationalism applies only to us and Israel, yet countries like Iran, well, that is in the too-hard basket…

Israel should not get a free pass to do what they want and deny the consequences which is what they have attempted with the brainwashing/corruption going on. Anyone saying they should get a free pass will get the Captain Boycott treatment by those who have decency.

I'm not angry at all, I'm simply pointing out a truth.

Regarding the Pope - a) we are discussing Britain, according to the header; and b) the Vatican is openly a theocracy. It doesn't pretend to be something else.

more of a car crash on BBC (Oh I see this was posted already) BBC did a better job of it.

Hopefully all the politicians and people who backed the initial Cass report will now back her call for a trial of puberty blockers. Hand up who thinks they will?

What a cheeky scumbag - most attacked politician in Britain, apart from the two MP's that have been murdered presumably?

It takes two to tango, dont you think?