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Jeffrey Donaldson steps down as DUP leader after being charged with historical sex crimes -*Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,766 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Decent chance he'll die in Prison which is no more than he deserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,113 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    To paint the picture that the women lied about it. That's what I got from the daily reports on the trial



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The lying bastard kept it up right to the end claiming that the two had lied about him.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,165 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Assume the loyalists will be out in the streets to stand up for the victims etc? Anyway, good riddance to him and hope his remaining days play out in prison.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Good, I do hope so, and I presume "Lady" Donaldson will become a mere Mrs. too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,345 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yeah, it's obvious what he was trying to do, but how did he even begin to think it'd work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭pipelaser


    Looking at this, it appears that the main offences happened since 1985. 

    Seems as though Donaldsons daughters were born in 1990 and 1992.

    So I would think that the offences were not his daughters. Sounds like it may have been vulnerable girls in the community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,113 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Probably his only real option….happens a lot….'he said she said' and they hope a jury goes their way. There's rarely a sure sure thing in court……some strange sh1t goes down, and defenders will fight tooth n nail to get scumbags off with awful stuff. Delighted the jury correctly believed these women.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,252 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    As the victims have not come forwards publicly, we really should not try and speculate or refer to who they may be.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭bfa1509


    "trial of the facts" what a load of horsesh!t!! If she's at risk of self harm then let the prison system deal with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,878 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A lot of the evidence was victim or witness testimony rather than something you can hold up in front of a jury and point to. While there were some things like that (his apology letter which didn't specifically say what his apology was for as an example), the prosecutors still had to do a sufficient job of tying it all together along with the testimonies.

    Juries are only supposed to find guilty if they believe they're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If the prosecutors hadn't been able to stitch the whole case together in the right way, or if there were too many inconsistencies in testimonies, he very well could have been found not guilty if just a few of the jury didn't think there was enough there.

    Utlimately, I'd say a man like that was never going to admit guilt regardless of how damning evidence may have been against him. He was always going to fight it to the end in whatever way he could.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Is the wife allowed to live at home, and is she free to live out her life without any sanction I wonder?

    She was deemed not fit to stand trial, but was found to have aided and abetted JD.

    No punishment for her. She was just as bad as him, although sometimes these women are totally controlled by their spouse, and I could see that happening with an arrogant so and so like JD. So who knows?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,440 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    No I think she has zero consequences at all. "Trial of facts" utter scutter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    only partial justice served

    Mrs D should have been led out in hand cuffs or be interred in psychiatric hospital



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,046 ✭✭✭jj880


    Jeffrey letting the side down badly the dirty scumbag.

    1 of his brethren was caught at the same sh!t and convicted round my way. Even after he was jailed we had a local knuckle dragger over at my parents house testifying "they'll be coming after everyone now".

    Jeffrey needs at least 20 years and some child rapist prison justice long before that.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭arctictree


    I'm actually amazed that he got a fair trial in NI! I'm sure he was hoping that at least one juror was a die hard orangeman that couldn't see any wrong in him. And that goes for the other side too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭pipelaser


    Thanks Seth. Upheld. Let the record show that it could have also been his daughters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭batman75


    It is true what they say. You never know what goes on behind closed doors. No sentence can undo the harm Jeffrey has done to the now adults. Both physical and psychological. It is very disturbing to think his wife partook in the abuse in some shape or form. Will she be sent to prison? Do we know how serious her 'assistance' was.

    My heart goes out to the two girls. He and his wife have given them a lifelong burden from which they may never recover or heal from. Credit to the girls for pursuing justice. Jeffrey is one of the most prominent public figures in Northern Ireland. I wish the girls only well and hope they can get some joy from life as they move on from the verdict. As for the Donaldson's hell mend them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭scottser


    That's great news, I hope it brings the victims some comfort that justice was done.

    Anyone know when he's up for sentancing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Having followed the evidence throughout (albeit as reported as opposed to actually being there)- I felt the turning point was towards the end of week 2 when we heard the summary of his wife’s interview with the PSNI. She clearly admitted that something wasn’t “right” about the encounter she came across with Jeffrey and the young victim alone in a room together.

    I thought that was a true gift to the prosecution and it was the only thing that came close to being an “eyewitness” to the alleged abuse incident.

    But you’re correct- how the prosecution present the evidence to the jury is incredibly important - I thought they made it look easy but it wasn’t.

    Defence response was the rather predictable “that never happened” narrative or similar, throughout. There was actually very little doubt that the defence could create- they tried by saying the victims couldn’t be fully trusted- but they never laid out their stall as to why they couldn’t be fully trusted.
    They just sort of left that statement hanging there.

    It was the last gasp of a dying wasp sort of effort and rightfully failed. When you try and discredit such strong testimony with that pathetic effort at creating doubt, you know it’s not going to run in your favour. Might have worked on a few jurors 30 years ago- but definitely not now



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    Will she be sent to prison? 


    No. See attached a brief outline in relation to a trial of the facts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    They have legal protection of anonymity for life - you can be prosecuted for naming them.
    It will be interesting though to see if they give up that right at the sentencing hearing which I believe they can do if they so choose



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    That's something I've been wondering about too. Even with how completely polarised NI politics is, neither side has used it for political gain. I like to think they saw it was too serious for political point scoring or to risk interfering with the trial in one way or another.

    Small ray of hope that even in the most divided places, people see justice for crimes against children as more important than their disagreements.

    One side could easily have made a big deal about it and the other side could easily have said it was a witch hunt. I might be naive, but I like to think the fact that both sides just let justice take it's course is a positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sentencing in September. There will be appeals and all that stuff so might end up being delayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,113 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I have a feeling he'll accept his fate….as bad an apple as he is, if he appeals this he's truly truly awful…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,440 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




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