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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2026 (Munster & Leinster Championships, Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭C4000


    There's no doubt that it hasnt been a vintage championship so far. Theres been 29 matches played, and I would say 8 of them have been very good matches.

    Youll get years like that though. Regardless of the format.

    Have a feeling that the semi final weekend might be different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,814 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Well you could have said the same about Tipp last year, nobody gave them a chance but they grew into the championship and got better with every game. Don't underestimate momentum.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,919 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ive been where they are many times so no not really great. You go through some flat qualifiers just to get reality handed to you by the first good tram you meet. It's only fooling yourself really.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 37,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    At the moment, winning games in Leinster cannot be compared in any manner with games in Munster.

    Had they been in Munster - they would have won Zero games.

    Had Waterford been in Leinster - I am very confident they would have won games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,235 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I reckon a match between Waterford and Dublin/Wexford would be close and don't forget KK had an off year this year.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭914


    To be fair Offlay's two wins were over Kildare and Wexford.

    Waterford was defeats to 3 of this years All Ireland semi finalists and a draw against last year's All Ireland champions. Tipperary the same.

    Honestly to do we thinking Dublin and offaly would perform in the Munster championship?

    The last two seasons both All Ireland winners failed to get out of Munster. If you win the All Ireland you will walk out of Leinster the following year.

    I'm not saying more teams need to progress, the Munster championship is epic but the system is flawed, this time of the year we should be seeing hurling at its peak, and we just witness two very poor All Ireland Quarter finals.

    If those games never occured this weekend they wouldn't be missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,919 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Tipp qualified though. They didn't come last.

    We are literally talking about ruining Munster so that a team who won 0 games can fell good about themselves by beating another also ran.

    It's not the same as Tipp or Cork in 2024 at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    But they aren't. This is the provincial structure which the Munster counties will fight tooth and nail to hang on to. Leinster counties would gladly see a change to the structure. In the meantime, whether Waterford would win games has "if me granny had balls" vibe off it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 37,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Would Waterford had put up a better performance than Dublin/Offaly - that was what the poster was responding to.

    The answer is - yes. Stating Dublins/Offalys Leinster wins as some sort of a response - which is what I quoted - is only comical.

    As comical as believing otherwise in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    I didn't say they would't. My point was that this is the championship structure. Sure Man City might win La Liga, but they don't play in it. So its a moot point what they might do.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    I would not rule out Galway or Clare at all. Clare know how to win an all ireland. This Galway team are step above anyone in the leinster.

    That Clare performance against Cork was not the Clare I know. Lohan will have them well pumped up. He will have to get it right on line though.

    Galway have noting to lose. Everyone expects Cork to win. Galway have nothing to fear. I don't expect Cork to roll them over at all. Think it will be close enough.

    EVENFLOW



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 37,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Everyone expects a Cork v Limerick final.

    If Clare get over their injuries, they have a game in them and could catch Limerick. who have been a month without a game.

    Galway will give Cork a game but I'd fancy Cork to beat them 15 v 15.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭Charlie69


    I agree that he got a bit carried away but you've actually made the same point Neil McManus was making, whether intentionally or not.

    Saying hurling can't be the best game in the world because it's only played seriously in a relatively small number of counties doesn't really address the argument. Popularity and quality aren't the same thing. Plenty of people would argue that hurling is one of the most skilful and exciting field sports there is, regardless of how many people play it.

    More importantly, the whole point McManus was making was that hurling remains a minority sport in many counties because not enough is being done to grow and develop it. The fact that more counties aren't playing it at a high level isn't evidence against his argument — it's the reason he was making the argument in the first place.

    I also didn't read his comments as a hurling-versus-football debate…( apart from his annoyance that the RTE coverage stayed with the extra time in the football)…..He wasn't saying football is inferior. He was saying that if the GAA believes hurling is a great game, then it should be investing more effort and resources into spreading and developing it in counties where it currently struggles which I thought was fair enough imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭almostover


    That is ture, but as a child on the very early 90s, I have experineced very little of our historical success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I was born in the mid 80's and i have faint memories of the double in 1990. We started to struggle badly in both mens senior codes when the training and preparation of senior intercounty teams started to become more structured and professional in the mid 90's. It started with Clare under Ger Loughane and Limerick under Tom Ryan, and later in the early 2000's with Tyrone and Armagh in the football.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 37,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I've expecienced a fair few All Ireland wins ( and losses) - in both codes.

    However, the roll of honour stands as it is, whether you or I were there or not.

    Corks place on that roll of honour is hard earned and I fully respect that fact.

    Hopefully it can be further enhanced in the not so distant future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Hurling's problems will not be fixed by any one change.

    At the moment, the Munster counties are driving each other to such heights that they are all rising. Leinster is behind at every level - schools, colleges, minor, u20, senior. Leinster counties always do well at Arrabawn, Tony Forristal etc but when they ante is upped at the more senior levels they just don't seem to be able to match it.

    It seems the Munster counties are just doing things better and its up to the Leinster counties to get their house in order. The fact that at Minor and U20 only 1-2 counties in Leinster gets to play the Munster counties is not helping the Leinster counties get a true picture of where they are at.

    I support the provincial structure, but I think they should be knock-out and then round robin structures at minor/U20/senior. Nearly every fixture that happens today would happen in a revised structure so its not the death-knell many think it would be. But I think hurling is too full of "protectionists" for the bigger picture to be seen by hurling counties.

    Fair play to Offaly they beat Wexford (who were down a load of bodies this year) and drew with Kilkenny (with the most dubious 65 ever awarded) but Dublin and Galway both beat them, so if ever there was a year to get out of Leinster this was it. I doubt they'll get out next year with away trips to Nowlan Park and Wexford Park assuming Wexford get the players who wouldn't commit back. My point is, they got a bit lucky but you need that bit of luck. I believe they were always lambs to the slaughter today.

    But the reality is, football is now completely destroying hurling because the games are exciting, close and not just free-ridden bores like most hurling matches are. A few years ago everybody in my office would be talking about hurling matches on Monday, now I never hear hurling mentioned until All-Ireland semi final and hurling final.

    I believe the semi finals might be one-sided affairs because I think Cork and Limerick are just a mile ahead of everyone. I'll be very very surprised if either Galway or Clare are close to either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,919 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What about Clares performance against Limerick or their first 3 games in Munster last year and all their league games the same year.

    Why is Lohan waiting 2 years to pump them up ?

    I agree I wouldn't rule either out and a semi not going to the favorites is almost the norm. Hopefully it's Galway doing the upsetting though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭alroley


    Clare played equally as bad against Limerick aswell as Cork though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    a gentleman by the name of Patrick Mulcahy was doing the commentary on radio..

    I think this might be him:

    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-41555407.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    The big problem hurling has this year is the football championship has been brilliant.. another epic weekend this weekend in the football with another epic weekend coming up..

    is that 3 or 4 weekends in a row of brilliant football while in that time hurling gets 2 rubbish games..

    the GAA got rid of the preliminary quarter final.. tbh they could axe the quarter finals as well...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,919 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's not a big problem it's just stupid insecurity.

    Different sports with a mostly different fanbase and are totally disconnected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Hidings And one sided games are nothing new in hurling..

    I dont think the hurling has been any worse this year than any other year it's just that the football especially these past couple weekends has been exceptional.. at a level we haven't seen before...

    Hopefully we will get 3 great games to finish the hurling championship.. I had a fancy for Galway but after watching Cork today I think Galway could struggle..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,110 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    My point is, theres no point talking about 27 or 28 all irelands when the vast majority were over half a century ago. Its a bit like if Cavan claimed to be some sort of aristocrats of football because they were pretty good back in the 50s. It doesnt make a difference any more.

    If Limerick go missing for the next 20years their achievements in the last few years won't mean anything to those teams in 20years either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Cavan are way out in front of everyone else in regards to winning Ulster titles, yet they've only won two of them since 1969.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭endainoz


    Not true, the hurling championship this year has been poor. Munster championship is normally the best GAA on TV wasn't good at all, bar the final. It's great to see football more than watchable again but there's little point in comparing the two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,919 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Exactly. One can have a good season and the other not or both can have great or bad seasons which has happened too.

    They have nothing to do with each other but I fear the moaners will get their way and there will be pressure to make major changes to hurling because football got some.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,110 ✭✭✭✭threeball




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 37,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Not quite true Cork have won ten all Irelands in hurling after 1969, beating Galway in three of those finals but you tell yourself whatever story helps you sleep better at night.😉 Prior to that we beat Galway in three other finals as well. How many senior hurling all Ireland finals have Galway beaten Cork in btw?

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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