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Manna ceasing drone delivery flights

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I thought there were regulations from the IAA.

    Why do think there isn't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Well we did have them flying over multiple times an hour. But the vast majority were at height.

    Might be different for someone near depot or such.

    I don't think anyone else will try tbh. From what I've read Amazon scaled back in the US. But have a trial in the UK. I can't see it getting widespread adoption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    Get up off your hole and walk to a coffee shop or McDonald's. Having these yokes zooming everywhere is ridiculous. Frivolous nonsense that has zero space in a sensible society. I'm not against using drones for higher purposes whatever that might be but delivering coffee to someone too lazy to make one isn't a valid reason to have them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Most of those gig workers are here illegally anyway (including scam student visas) so no loss



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭carfinder


    Again you are being too narrow minded or narrowly focussed. Medicine could include prescription medication to elderly etc.

    It could also move "meals on wheels" to "meals on wings" especially for vulnerable people.

    Actually the use cases will only grow as the technology improves - but the baseline infrastructure needs to be created



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,763 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    There is a very narrow use case, basically where speed is essential and you need the benefit of as the crow flies distance. It’s another tech solution looking for a problem.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,332 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Why would something like an organ delivery drone system need the 'infrastructure' that manna created?

    What infrastructure did manna create?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭carfinder


    Drone technology is here to stay. Its highly effective in warfare as the Ukranians and Iranians have proven. As the technology improves, so will the use cases. I would prefer the baseline use case to be fast food delivery in Ireland instead of warfare but narrow minded people seem to think otherwise 🤔



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,332 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Are you having a stroke?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Well bullets, missiles and mortars are highly effective in warfare, it doesn't mean we should use them for civilian life.

    I agree drone technology is here to stay, just as helicopters were invented before I wad born. My local lad can do 4 or 5 deliveries in series from a Yaris. The drone I saw was doing one delivery at a time. Never mind the "technology" this is less effective than a Yaris, and when venture capital is removed only then would we know if it can survive market economics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    If you're number 4 or 5 how cold will it be. The Yaris will be stuck in traffic aswell.

    If we have hoards of drones filling the sky then do we have hoards of Yaris zooming around. Yes actually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    The Yaris deliveries have been working for 25 years so you'll have to also the customer of their food is hot.

    In this simple equation we have 1 Yaris for every 5 drones. I've seen how slow it is loading the drones and taking off. Add up the dwell and loading time the Yaris (now eBike) is 10x faster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I think the mistake the company made was trying to pioneer an innovative service in a nimby country that hates change. We need to see it take off elsewhere and then we'll want it here too.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,332 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I beg your pardon. I'm not a nimby.

    The correct term is 'nomby'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The Yaris is 10x slower it's stuck in the traffic getting out of Blanch Centre. End of. The drones can deliver all 5 orders at the same time.

    I don't think fast food by drone is a useful business. But most of the complaints will equally apply to all fast food deliveries. If they all stopped it would be good thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    The Yaris can have an insulated box to keep the food warm.

    I ordered via manna once, from Eddie Rockets. The drone had to do two trips to bring food for four kids and obviously the second delivery was all stone cold when it arrived.

    It is/was a deeply flawed offering; fast food is actually the worst possible thing you could choose as its payload.

    It could never, ever have turned a profit, but this absolute spoofer finds it easier to blame everyone else. And people swallow it up. At what point do we start to say, hey, maybe we shouldn’t just give these tech bros whatever they want?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A drone has an insulated box and it's direct and delivers in a fraction of the time.

    One time I ordered from a food courier on moped he took an age to get here (from the app I could see he did a bunch of deliveries before me) and dropped half the food on driveway. Had to go back and redo half the other and it was cold. Never used them again. Look on the internet it's full of complaints about food delivery. Most of them near me all use cars. Drive like lunatics around the place.

    All food delivery is flawed. Especially one that relies on the road network that's gridlocked a lot of the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Yaris is not 10x slower. ebikes won't be stuck in traffic and work in an unregulated environment compared to drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,403 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    What way did it work in Blanch? If you ordered a McDonalds did one of their staff come out to load the drone? I couldn't see it working in towns where restaurants are on the main street. They're huge fecking things.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,332 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    My local lad can do 4 or 5 deliveries in series from a Yaris.

    he can do - but does he? i'm curious now when you order a takeaway, how many orders they can stack into a single trip for the driver. obviously will depend heavily on how busy the takeaway is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    drone use has a legitimate use in delivery of items to hospitals , but delivery coffee and takeaways is not legitimate use, imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    They never did McDs for some reason.

    I assume there some sort of delivery to the drone depot. I've never seen it.

    In reality there's a fair lag between an order, it being ready and delivery to the drone depot. If they can fit it a shopping centre it will fit anywhere.

    Same with a delivery driver they have to go back to the restaurant to collect. They are often have orders waiting for them or they are waiting for it to be cooked.

    None of these are instant as claimed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Maybe it's 15x.

    I've never had a delivery from an eBike in D15. See them all the time in town but not in D15. I don't get much take out and generally the same local place. In many years they've never used an e bike. Local food places I've never seen an eBike at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,078 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The lad in the Yaris probably delivers from the restaurant to Manna 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭no.8


    That's barely an argument at all. The road noise generated by traffic on a 60-80kmh road would far exceed that of a drone.

    Privacy. Well the public would see a lot more from the top deck of a double-decker bus than a drone which doesn't record (based on what Manna state at least).

    The main issue is the back garden issue / crossing directly over houses, which clearly does have a love severe impact.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,332 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The road noise generated by traffic on a 60-80kmh road would far exceed that of a drone.

    almost certainly true. but how many people - as a proportion of the people living within range of their D15 base - live on a road with an 80km/h limit? 0.01%? and that's not an exaggeration. it's so small as to essentially round to zero at any scale.

    and 60km/h roads? not far behind.

    and i'm somewhat bemused by the 'it's quieter than traffic noise' argument.for a start - traffic noise is very variable depending on where you live. traffic noise where i live is easily an order of magnitude higher than for my parents, in the house i grew up in (though tbf where i live i've a 24 hour bus lane outside my house, with a 50km/h limit)

    but the 'traffic noise is just as bad' argument falls totally flat on the 'it's no worse than something already bad' test. accepting that traffic noise is an issue and then also saying 'drone noise is fine because it's replicating an already existing issue' is well, kinda pathetic. a 'we've reached the bottom of this barrel and we've no interest in dealing with that' approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Tin Foil Hat


    The only traffic noise that these drones are remotely comparable to are excessively noisy motorbikes and souped-up boy-racer dick-mobiles, both of which i would also love to see legislated out of existence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,160 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Definitely not true when they're flying overhead, might be a case when they're hovering for the 30 secs or so it takes to drop food off.

    I would've thought this could've been resolved by imposing restrictions on the allowed noise levels rather than denying planning permission though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,093 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nothing is noise free. I would argue that the existing noise is already pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable from a mental well being point of view. Public Parks are designed to reduce the impact of traffic, to provide a quiet space. Drones are not as loud as a motorbike flying past at full speed, but they are intrusive. I don't encounter them that often these days, but every single time I see or hear one, it immediately annoys me.
    Was at a beach today and some prick was playing with a drone.

    Incredibly annoying, why should a thousand people have to put up with this added nuisance so that one single person can play with his stupid toy.

    Ban billionaires



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,625 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




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