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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


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    Indeed, goodnight comrade!

    And godspeed to all the Ukrainian drones in flight tonight, may your targets be flammable and the blaze spread widely.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Not just drones working to disarm putin's terrorist state but people within are taking steps to help Ukraine.

    But the drones from Ukraine are making an impact throughout the russian federation:

    https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-hits-tyumen-oil-refinery-2-000-km-1781971600.html

    and in occupied parts of Ukraine:

    https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social/post/3mopuaj64fs22

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    If only putin's terrorists would stop trying to build a bigger empire for their dear leader and go back home we could have less threats of nuclear war from terrorist state sympathisers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    How do you know what Putin's limits are? Are you receiving communications from the inside?

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Russian dissident artist Robert Kuzovkov, who worked under pseudonym “Semyon Skrepetsky” has been shot dead in Poland. He was participating in a protest near the Russian consulate in Berlin 3 days before his death.

    Christo Grozev says that a contract was put out in the Chechen diaspora to "liquidate" someone. Possible there's a link. Kadyrov was a favourite target for Kuzovkovs satire.

    A video from his latest protest shows him walking with the Russian tricolor flag dragging behind him on the ground, wearing “ushanka” hat and carrying a picture of Stalin holding baby Putin, stylized as an icon. After sweeping streets with the Russian flag, he threw it into a trash bin near the Russian embassy.

    ...

    According to media reports, the attacker approached Skrepetsky in the parking area of a residential building and fired several shots at close range. Reportedly, the attackers were detained near the Belarus Embassy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭mike_cork


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    Successful attack by Ukraine on the kerch port infrastructure/oil terminals and a ferry last night.

    Russia is f*cked in crimea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    It's a very common Russian/Kremlin narrative around putin and has been from early on when the "SMO" started to not go as planned/tits up. When things go south and dear leader is in the frame there are essentially two options. Good czar, bad boyars; it's not putin's fault, it's those around him failing. Any direct criticism of putin is only allowed if it's along the lines of "putin's trying to save lives by going slowly/not escalating" or "putin's being too soft and we need to really start this war". Insert nuclear threats where applicable. Again. Of course "just you wait and see" is a near given. Its daftly transparent at this stage.

    This has been a spectacular screwup by putin from the off. If he had "just" gone into Donbas and did a Crimea Part II he may well have gotten away with it, but trying to take Kiev was beyond idiotic. That kinda thing almost never works and even a quick perusal of history would have told him that. Someone like Trump screwing up in a similar way is understandable as books are something he uses as doorstops, but doubly puzzling and ironic given putin's considered to be a history buff. Apparently not.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,007 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Putin has a Phd, likely fairly earned. He's not and wasn't stupid. He was acting quite rationally given the wests near endless acts of cowardice in response to Orc provocations.

    Nothing was done in response to Litvinenko's assasination, the Skripal attempted assassinations, the murder of a UK citizen with Novichok and attempted murder of a police constsble. Then nothing was done about the little green men in Donbas, nor about the act of war when the Orc military, shot down a civillian airliner full of Dutch and Australian civillians. More nothing was the response to the seizure of Cimea.

    When the Orcs invaded Ukraine, the wests response was to offer Zelensky a ride out of there, not to tell Putin troops were on the way.

    Putin overestimated the capabilities of his own corruption rotted military and undrestimated Ukrainian capablities and determination; the gutlessness of the west he sussed to a T. His decision to invade was not entirely irrational at the time, even if hindsight grants a contrary assessment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Lots of Russians are getting experience of what their grandparents told them were good times in the Soviet/Stalin era, they were brainwashed and now have to face up to the new reality as Putin and his oligarchs control the country's wealth, first for themselves, second for their armed forces who protect their wealth and seek out fresh pastures but had hit a serious road bump with UKR.

    Xi meanwhile is supplying them arms and acquiring former territories along their border, as payment, they will make something out of Siberia rather than mineral/oil extraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭mike_cork




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,779 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Im not sure if Ukraine intends to take crimea or use it as a bargaining chip.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭mike_cork


    My hot take on it is Ukraine will make some form of ultimatum where Russian troops and settlers need to leave by x date or they will be starved out and then they drop the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭mike_cork


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    The guy who runs the russian fighter-bomber tg channel is prob getting a visit from some nice FSB men today



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Oh putin's no fool. Anything but. You don't get to the top of an apparatus like Russia and stay there that long by being a fool. And yep he didn't get slapped back enough for earlier shenanigans. No argument there and your points go some way to reinforcing my take that if he'd "only" gone for and taken Donbas he'd likely have gotten away with it.

    However beyond all that going in and trying to take a nation by attacking the capital and cutting off an elected government at the head is rarely if ever successful and even if it is initially, it doesn't last for long. The only time it can work is if it's the 1800's and you're a century ahead in firepower, fielding rifles against spears. In the modern world with democratised firepower it's on a road to nowhere. in the modern world if you have a majority of the populace behind you it can also work, Russia didn't and has even less now so fell at that first hurdle.

    He could have copied Bismarck who lopped off bits of neighbouring nations without going for their capitals. Instead he did a Hitler(who idolised Bismarck but completely missed the point)by biting off way more than he could chew and sustain long term.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 982 ✭✭✭mike_cork


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    A load of air defence around the kerch berch taken out as part of the Ukrainian attack on the port.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Notional or real? If you were tin-pot African dictator with money to spend on air defence systems, would the S400 still be on your shopping list?

    There's a lesson in this for our American friends too. We've been reassured recently (on this platform) that the Patriot system is far superior because it can do so much more (terms & conditions apply). But Urkaine and Iran have both shown that the "so much more" is/can be largely irrelevant because many of those features only work with equipment that was designed for an entirely different style of warfare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭thomil


    There's no denying that this is a major blow, though. If it's really the radars that they've taken out, that means that the S-400 batteries they belonged too are now blind. Unlike smaller systems, the S-400 launchers don't have their own integrated radars. It would be interesting to know which radars they've taken out though, the division level air search radar or the battery level fire control radar? Or one of each, which would be the best case scenario?

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,187 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Remember a while back there were repeated pro-Russian or 'Peace' posters on this thread. They seem to have vanished mostly. Why? has the money dried up? or is there another reason?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,078 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Nobody likes to be associated with losers, even they can now see which way the wind is blowing.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Horses for courses. One doesn’t use counter-drone assets to shoot down hypersonic cruise or ballistic missiles, or aircraft fifty or more miles away. Those weapons are still in use in Ukraine and need to be defended against.

    On the other hand, one doesn’t use S400 or Patriot to shoot down drones. And if the special forces in question simply floated ashore and used a couple of anti-materiel rifles like the Barrett M85 to clear the way for everything else (the simple stuff still works also, people seem to be forgetting that in the drone craze), then neither counter-drone nor counter-missile systems would have helped.

    However, it has been adequately proven, I think, by events in places like Venezuela and Iran, that the Soviet/Russian air defense systems are not as capable as the sales brochures might represent. But even that is relative. They can’t stop the US, but that doesn’t mean that they won’t work well enough against a country which lives next to a tin-pot African dictator.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,239 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The noose is tightening Crimea with oil terminals in Kerch and multiple ferries now being set on fire.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,240 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    How many of Venezuela's air defences were actually switched on at the critical moment ?

    ( And how competently used would those systems have been in the first place ) , a couple of tor point defence systems is not the same as a multi-layer system..

    Air defence has always been chasing it's tail a bit , planes and missiles get better and more complex - so air defence gets better and more complex, and on and on .. wether it's wild weasels or stealth tech ,

    I suppose sometimes it's not that either a target is invulnerable or unable to be hit from the air , but more is it unaffordable or unrealistic attack and destroy or to defend..

    Especially if resources are limited - defending the Kerch strait may so many resources as to be shooting yourself in the foot , conversely hitting the bridge may cost far more than it's worth when there's many other worth while targets out there ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Putin doesn't make a move without contacting me /s The /s means sarcasm in case you or other readers are not aware.

    An obvious limit is nuclear. Russia is the country with the most nuclear weapons. They haven't used any, so even Putin has limited Russia in that sense.

    The Americans took out Nagasaki and Hiroshima, cities thousands of miles away from mainland America. The Russians under Putin have not gone that far which is good. I think that is a fairly straightforward obvious explanation and not hard to understand.

    To be explicit, I do not want Russia or any other country for that matter to use nuclear weapons. There's no hidden meaning, the Kremlin has not been contacting me and neither are they paying me. I am against the use of nuclear weapons. Hope that serves to answer your inquiry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/06/18/crimea-will-turn-into-an-island-ukraines-defence-minister-says-in-a-message-to-russia

    Ukraine might as well leave the Kerch bridge in situ. The orc & planter rats need a way to get back to Mordor. They'd better start marching home. The cars & the ferries won't have any fuel LOL! 😎

    Go on home Russian soldiers go on home! 🤩



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,941 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    The Americans took out Nagasaki and Hiroshima, targets in a belligerent country, the belligerent country who had in fact drawn the USA into the conflict.

    The piece you've shared was a threat to

    Nuke Germany and the UK if the War in Ukraine Continues

    A threat to attack other countries because it couldn't come close to achieving its own goals in Ukraine. Ratcheting up this threat is tacit admission of failure, not to mind the international response if it were ever attempted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 935 ✭✭✭engineerws


    It certainly looks like Russia have failed in their objectives → 4 oblasts. Ukraine was belligerent as per OSCE reports

    https://www.osce.org/special-monitoring-mission-to-ukraine/512629

    The modern take is "Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, to preemptively neutralize the U.S. Pacific Fleet." The USA used to occupy Philippines so the threat was likely real.

    Russia and Japan seem similar in your analogy. Ukraine nuking Moscow and st Petersburg might be a more appropriate outcome and a subsequent Russian surrender but population wise, Russia is more like the USA.

    I think they are sufficiently different to make the analogy a hard fit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,570 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    wow,

    Orwell Rd getting desperate???


    the end is near people..



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