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General British politics discussion thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I wasn't counting Brown, and yes, wasn't Blair North East actually.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Born in Scotland but an MP for Durham area.

    He never exactly came across as particularly Northern though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,160 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Very Northeast

    Blair also grew up near/in the area, relatively rare for MPs in general due to the way aspiring candidates get assigned constituencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,419 ✭✭✭cml387


    Grantham is further north than Birmingham. Just sayin'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    She's about as elitist as it gets. But you got my point i'm sure about the North/South divide. I'm serious when i say this, Lancs, Yorkshire, Northumberland would have more in common with the Irish than they do with Londoners/Home counties.

    How, can i put it, well they are just a bid odd down south. When i say odd. I mean racist 🤣

    But for all i kind of jest having family in Herts and spend quite sometime working back and forth london, there is a massive divide in that country



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,419 ✭✭✭cml387


    Well as someone who was born in Kent I can assure you that I'm not racist. Not too sure about being odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    More referring to the home counties actually. Canterbury is a wonderful place to go and watch the cricket and very welcoming, may i add



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭midlander12


    Gone by Monday I'd say. The only issue is whether Streeting puts up a token challenge or accepts a senior job instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    He wouldn't have the support to beat Burnham, he'll leave him to it and get a top job. In fairness Wes is more than capable, very articulate, would be better than Starmer anyway. I wonder what Burnham will do with the radicals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭midlander12


    He claims to have the 81 names for a nomination but that'd be as far as he'd get.

    What radicals?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    I use the term loosly, but the usual suspects, the more left leaning, John, Zarah, Angie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That just isn't true whatsoever.

    For one thing lumping all 10/15m Londoners in as one group is the typically insulting thing Northerns who like to perpetuate the North v South thing do.

    Your average Northerner is way more stereotypically English than is made out and you will probably find more insulted by being compared to Irish than you will in London.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭midlander12


    If by 'Angie' you mean Rayner, she'll be back in the cabinet and she's not really very 'radical'.

    John McDonnell? Where has he been for the last few years?

    Zarah is gone, both from Lab and possibly from Your Party now too.

    The rest are a small minority, who probably won't have the same aversion to Burnham as they have to Starmer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    Couldn't disagree more with this post if i tried. Having spent many a year between Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool etc Northerners are VERY similar to the Irish, especially in Lancs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    17 million people across distinctive regions all "like the Irish". Areas like Cumbria, North Yorkshire and rural Lancashire are like Ireland how ?

    The north voted heavily for Brexit thanks to a very insular anti immigrant English exceptionalism attitude. How is that like the Irish ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,160 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Tories actually won one of the Scottish by elections pretty handily, and Badenoch won't get any media boost from it. Hilarious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Irrelevance is what happens when you are a useless leader.

    Top article on Guardian UK by the way including pictures of and quotes from Badenoch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Randycove


    and how much time did you spend in London, Portsmouth or Bristol?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,318 ✭✭✭wazzzledazzle


    London, on average for the last 15/20 years, about a week for every 6 weeks, Portsmouth is a dump (in comparison to Southampton & Bristol only across the bridge to get to Cardiff airport on a few occasions). Not sure what your point is though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭Randycove


    because you don’t seem to know the uk. You also seem to think all Irish people are the same.
    a kid growing up in Ballymun would have a lot more in common with a kid growing up in Harringay then they would a rugby playing privileged Blackrock boy, who probably has more in common with a kid from Durham who plays rugby for Barnard Castle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,445 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Looks like that's it for Keir.

    Keir Starmer is preparing to set out a timetable for his departure from No 10 this week after Andy Burnham’s triumphant return to Westminster in the Makerfield byelection.

    The prime minister is understood to have reached the conclusion that his position is no longer tenable after conversations in recent days with cabinet ministers, Downing Street advisers, trade union leaders, and party donors.

    Although Starmer is spending the weekend talking his future over with his wife, Victoria, at Chequers before making a final decision, senior Labour figures believe a “clear statement” could come as early as Monday.

    https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/starmer-expected-to-resign-on-monday-and-set-out-orderly-exit

    I thought he would have fought harder but it looks like things have been quite desperate behind the scenes for some time now.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,874 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    His only hope was Burnham losing the by-election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,936 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am glad Starmer is gone. He was so wishy washy. He let Trump humiliate him more than once. Awful soft on Israel too. The UK need a strong PM more than ever before.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,097 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Its being reported that Foreign Secretary David Lammy has unsheathed Brutus' dagger and told Starmer he's done.

    A clear timetable for a summer leadership contest to be completed by September is now there.

    The only drawback is the EU / UK summit is on this coming week. A lame duck is not what the British government needs representating them at this crucial moment for reintegration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A story that's getting slightly overlooked in all this is how Reform UK and Farage are starting to struggle somewhat and have lost momentum from where they were 6-9 months ago. A big issue is that the 'right wing' vote is clearly fragmented between Reform, the Tories and Restore Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r5fk2ZD-jPE

    I posted here a couple weeks ago that Burnham plead igorance on the Israel/Gaza topic some weeks ago when asked about it on the campaign trail. Used the BS excuse of saying that Manchester was too far from Gaza to see exactly what is going on there.

    Saw the above video yesterday. It's from his leadership campaign in 2015 and at that point at least, it was clear where his sentiment lay with respect to feelings about the region. (We saw this pledge of allegiance (of sorts) being used in last years Mayoral campaign and thankfully there, the one candidate who had the balls to not kowtow to the Israeli's was victorious)

    So I'm not expecting any sort of holding Israel to account for the genocide it has inflicted on the Palestinians and the continued harmful acts it is carrying out against various other countries in the region. Particularly now that Israel is feeling somewhat abandoned and isolated on the global stage. (Which is "somewhat" the case, though not exactly, and not for the reasons they deserve to be and nowhere near enough as much as they should be)

    The UK absolutely needs a strong PM, but it also needs a morally principled one and the only one I would feel particularly confident qualified in that respect in recent years was probably Theresa May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Don't know if it is getting overlooked. The News Agents discussed it in detail on their podcast on Friday.

    It is a very relevant and interesting angle to keep an eye on, that's for sure. Particularly with how Reform has set their stall out and to this point have become fixed as to their positions and ideology in the minds of a lot of people whereas Restore maybe aren't seen as being extreme or "toxic", which isn't necessarily the case in my view.

    But that could all change, and one way in which it could change is with the influence of the wealthiest man on the planet who doesn't seem to be a fan of Farage and actually pledged support for Restore last year.

    He is more than capable of being a disruptive influence over the next couple of years if he decides to get involved. More in a noisy/agitating type of way maybe, but, it all depends how much he ends up wanting to get involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,015 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I do wonder if Farage's support for and 'friendship' with Trump is starting to damage him. Other hard right parties around Europe are beginning to seriously distance themselves from him and Trump's relationship with Giorgia Meloni appears to be in the gutter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,740 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I would maybe re-phrase it slightly. I'm not sure if the relationship is damaging him, but it is helping him less and less. People who were encouraged by Trump were never objective assessors of the outcome of what he brought to the table and while he is an influence in the US, that was enough for him to have influence elsewhere.

    But he is unquestionably losing influence fast in the US. The Iran war has been a disaster for him and he doesn't have the energy or mental capacity to overcome that with deflection/bluster as he had in the past.

    So people won't turn away from Farage because of Trump, but they won't turn towards him because of Trump.

    I'm not sure that Farage is too far behind Trump when it comes to the energy for a political fight. I suspect that he is currently an MP largely because of the payment he got from Harborne and the only topics he is motivated in discussing and arguing on behalf of are all topics that are intended to get dramatic attention and are very emotive and can be distilled down to simplistic phrases.

    Trump is damaging the image of governing by populism to some degree, and in that way, Farage could be harmed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,428 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So it starts..

    Burnham not even in No.10 and already the knives are out by those who want the Labour Party to revert to some sort of Corbyn cult.



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