US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

Israel doesn’t want peace. Their leader has an arrest warrant issued for war crimes. So it’s hardly a surprise.

Yeah but when you have prominent conservative/ex-MAGA personalities speaking against Israel and AIPAC - that starts to hold at some point.

Having said that, JD Vance's remarks the other day were stronger than I've ever heard from someone within a US Administration, so you'd hope the tide is turning and patience is wearing thin.

Can't believe my hopes rest on JD Vance.

Sticks and stones may break Bibi's bones…unless Trump explicitly threatens to turn off/down the arms/funding spigot Israel will just carry on regardless..

Wouldn't be hard for America to 'put manners on Israel' if the will was there…

I wonder would Iran sell Lebanon out for an 'enhanced deal'.

The public don't want it either. There was a fella from Reuters in Jerusalem on Drivetime yesterday and he said their preferred option was for Israel to keep on bombing Lebanon and Iran. A crazy warmongering nation.

Give up supporting them at the UN and threaten to call a vote to recognize Palestine as a state.

From what we can tell though, even the opposition are far right Zionist nutcases. There appears to be no moderates in the Knesset, it's a far right, racist parliament. Goodness knows where Israel goes from here - if there was a moderate, centrist opposition waiting to take over and make concessions to the Palestinians, it would give them a chance at least to rehabilitate themselves.

The current Israeli government is just utterly deranged at this stage and doing serious harm to the interests of their nation.

It’s fog of war, no-one knows what’s going on.

US have PACs like AIPAC who contribute to campaigns aligned with their aims.

From the time a US congress person (i.e., representatives and senators) is elected to office s/he spend their time 24/7 seeking financial contributions to fund their next election campaign. It’s their #1 Job.

Parenthetically, I’ve been following behavioural patterns across political social media forums for around 16 years. I’ve observed since 7/10 - across fora - a change in strategy in what I describe as a phoney fairness while simultaneously gaslighting someone as an antisemite. It’s only a veneer of seeming objectivity to draw you out, as if to a sympathetic audience, only to mercilessly peck at insignificant points and ruthlessly distort one’s statements.

In early January 2025, I started a thread entitled “Conflating legitimate criticism of Zionism with hate speech” to shed light on such duplicitous tactics.

I wrote in my OP: “Criticism of a political ideology cannot be construed as hate speech. Saying you detest Zionism is like saying you detest Communism or Fascism because they are flawed and false ideologies. One is allowed to hold an evil ideology in contempt and publish criticism of it.”

Kushner and Witkoff, the two chief US negotiators, are rabid Zionists.

Is there any reason to believe they are any more so than the rest of Trump's inner circle? They wouldn't have any 'personal characteristics' that would lead you to think that would they?

No - there's no reason to believe they're any more compromised than most others in Trump's orbit.

I mention Kushner and Witkoff because they are the chief negotiators - ostensibly working for the US.

Trump is Just an embarrassment of a man. I’d say his advisors must be hanging their heads every time he comes out with one of those moronic destroy your country/civilisation/people/whatever. He is trying so desperately to portray himself as a figure of strength that he comes across as nothing but an old man full of bluster and no substance.

Netanyahu has really made him look an even bigger weakling. This war has been an unmitigated disaster for the US. They have gained literally nothing and lost so much credibility and international standing in the process. The only positive that might come out at the end of it all would be that the US tide finally turns against the Israeli lamprey suckling away at its side.