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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Extract from article that appeared in Irish Examiner June 23th 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    You are most likely referring to engagement of Traffic Aware Cruise Control "TACC"which can only be engaged at speeds above approx 30km. Once engaged if a vehicle in front slows the car will also slow and can come to a complete stop and once the vehicle in front moves the car will move. But it cant be engaged from a stop position or below 30km/h

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Yeah, but I can turn it on from a complete stop. For example, I got into the car earlier. Exited a housing estate onto a main road where I was immediately stuck in traffic. I turned on autopilot and the car took over. I hadn’t gone anywhere near 30km/h before engaging AP. I’m sure of it, because I was stuck behind a cyclist in the estate.

    Stay Free



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Grab me a ticket for that time machine.

    You'd have to be a bit sceptical about vague info like this - I mean, this fairly clued-in forum hadn't heard anything of this nature?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭Pete123456


    V14 rolling out in AU/NZ bodes well for Ireland I think… it shows that the stack that’s been approved in RHD countries in Europe is also suitable for Ireland/UK, so hopefully speeds things up a little bit on our side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    In the current versions of both autosteer and the European FSD there are no speed profiles but you can set the maximum offset by percentage or a set value.

    Incidentally Sweden is reportedly going to vote against FSDS approval because it can speed due to this if the user so decides.

    To the bureaucrats there this is only a problem with the FSD Supervised, while all the other cruise control and autosteer implementations out there are fine if they can potentially break the speed limit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Then which Marque? The ultimate driving machine?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I think the ability to set a standard offset allowing you to go over the speed limit shouldn't be allowed. The default behaviour of any system should be to drive legally.

    User overrides that apply whilst driving should however still be allowed, I've had a few occasions where the speed limit indicator has not matched the road either due to bad mapping or bad signage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,079 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I have never heard of any jurisdiction where you can't set old skool cruise control above the speed limit. What is different now?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    The difference is how it's applied.

    It's a very different argument to say it's ok for a driver to configure their car to default to 10km/h over the speed limit, versus the driver choosing to set their cruise 10km/h over the limit every time they activate cruise control.

    You can replace a fixed offset with a percentage and it's still the same problem. In my opinion a default (even a user applied one) should never cause the vehicle to be operated in an illegal manner. If you want to override that it should be an active decision, you are in control and have chosen to set the speed of travel at the time of activation.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    To use an analogy, it's like a company that make taxi meters. They can't control whether a driver abuses the meter to add additional charges such as booking fees or extra passenger fees when they aren't due, but if they built an option into the meter so a driver could always overcharge their passenger that way the regulator should tell them their taxi meter wasn't compliant and couldn't be used be used by any licensed taxi drivers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    Very few cars, including a Tesla, have a totally accurate speedo. You have to be able to adjust the offset a bit above the the posted limit. Mine for example is set at +2% which is very close to the actual GPS speed leading to 61, 102 etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    The difference here is that the car with FSD engaged has the authority to exceed the legal limits ….to quote their letter to TCMV "allowing automated systems to systematically exceed legal speed limits ... risks undermining both the legal framework and the ​expected safety benefits of vehicle automation," The TCMV is due to meet June 30th to discuss further and we now kow that they have this letter from the Swedish Transport Authority.

    Regardless of any individual views the point has validity as a consideration by Regulators and I dont find it a surprise that it is raised as an input



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Ego a bit bruised? Am attaching the full press article which included the quote from Department of Transport and the direct quotation. Personally i have no reason to doubt its authenticity. Everyday is a school day!!

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41861430.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawShOdNleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETB0RXdjMk56N2VzVmVsbFE2c3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqmCRtCWLW_2wPfFp-5eD8Mvv7fwPEZcP0z1zSUQVsCCk7aJIQVVmSK2iJeI_aem_x88jirw_xgd-MsosJhGY9g



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I'm pretty sure any regulator's response to that will be fix your speedo, not build an automatic speeding override.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭evftw


    It's a tall order as variables like tyre pressure and depth of tyre tread affect the displayed speed. And it's illegal for the speed displayed to be less than the actual speed at any moment.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Is it a bit rich for a company to say we've got a car that's capable of safely operating itself on public roads without user input (but supervised) but we also can't work out exactly how fast the car is going to accurately display it's current speed.

    I do find my Model Y to be one of the most accurate speedo's I've used, close enough that it doesn't need an offset to remain compliant with speed limits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,079 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    It's a legal EU thing, indicated speed must be somewhere between real speed and real speed + 10% + 4km/h

    i.e. a real speed of 160km/h must be showing as anything between 160km/h and 180km/h on the speedo

    Cars sold in the US (thus Teslas sold here too) usually show a speed just above the actual speed. That explains your Model Y

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭zg3409


    On my non Tesla you can bring up an actual gps live speed on the sat nav, which is different to the cars Speedo, for reasons explained above. The Speedo should never show a speed below actual speed, although it may if you change wheel size without correcting.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Yes, I'm aware of the legal requirement regarding the speedo display.

    I don't think any manufacturer should get away with, our system is capable of making real time decisions regarding road positioning, including braking, merging slowing for hazards at the same time as saying we can't give an accurate speed reading to the driver, therefore we will allow an unbounded override of the system that is set once and applied automatically every time the driver assistance programme kicks in.

    If the manufacturer want's the system to automatically stick to the actual speed limit, they should make the speedo display accurately, they clearly have the measuring system in place to do so. If they don't have the capability it calls into question the capacity of the driver aid system to do it's other tasks.

    You can't reconcile we know the speed accurately enough to safely control the car, but not accurately enough to tell you how fast it's going. Heisenberg would at least have had the uncertainty principle as an excuse.

    Sweden is likely calling this into question on the Article 39 exemption as this time they get a vote on whether or not to accept it. The standard approval process would mean that only the opinion of The Netherlands is relevant to type approval.
    I'd guess the current autopilot offset wouldn't have been allowed if Sweden was the authority for current Tesla vehicles.

    I agree with the Swedish position, we'll see if others countries do when the vote comes around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭Vudgie


    Apart from FSD are there any software updates and that people are speculating might come in the short term. Or what would you love to see come?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    There was talk of CarPlay support coming at some point, not sure where that's at.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I know the Tesla system and UI is fantastic but many people really want Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.

    I don’t know what they won’t offer it as an option. Obviously some rivalry or is there some cost to the vehicle manufacturer?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Flew under the radar a bit, no? Going back to last October, yet nary a mention on here?

    I think you are the first person to post this info - unless I completely missed it. Given listermint's fondness for the topic I suspect had it been widely known he at least would have mentioned it, and certainly Unkel and Gumbo would have at least mentioned it in passing.

    You've also got to ask yourself the source of the article - government clearly - I mean, read that in one way it says absolutely nothing except "slow down there horse, we're working on something in the background, but what that is I'm not really going to share other than it's definitely a "framework" of some sort".

    "Working on something" is a great way of saying "we're not looking at your sh1t just yet", which is kinda what the Tesla drivers on this forum were expecting and fearing, in equal measures.

    You'd have to wonder eh? 😅



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭John arse




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    To be very fair, LM is usually up on his info and is genuinely interested in the topic, so I'm surprised nobody mentioned this body of work being undertaken by Minister O'Brien going all the way back to last October yet.

    It's literally like none of us were aware of it, which begs its own question if you think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭John arse


    If you mention him one more time he's going to appear - be careful!👹



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Might be ok, I've thrown salt over my left shoulder and a black cloth over the bathroom mirror.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭John arse




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