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3 Year old Child thrown into Crocodile Pit in UK

  • 19-06-2026 04:53PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,954 ✭✭✭✭


    I really try to do my best to avoid reading and watching the news these days as it is so utterly depressing and soul-destroying and is really not good for my - or anyone's for that matter - mental well-being. However, my internet browser seems to constantly feature horrendous news reports when I open it to access my emails etc. and I really have to do more to limit my exposure.

    One such news item was the horrendous incident earlier this week where a 3 year old boy, visiting a farm-zoo attraction in East Anglia in England was grabbed by a complete stranger, a 30 year old man and thrown into an enclosure with crocodiles. Unbelievable. The toddler was rescued by staff at the zoo but is in a critical condition in hospital.

    It reminded me of the case where another child was thrown off a high balcony by a stranger at the Tate Modern gallery in London a few years ago. What drives people to do such wicked and evil things? I just cannot fathom. On the heels of the deeply disturbing court case, also in the UK, where a gay couple were jailed for life for the murder of an adopted baby boy through the most despicable sexual abuse and torture to the infant, I am feeling extremely depressed about the state of humanity right now.

    I really can understand why fewer and fewer people are choosing to have children in a world that is filled with negativity, wickedness and despicable evil.

    Link to news article below:

    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/man-bailed-as-not-fit-for-interview-after-boy-3-thrown-into-crocodile-enclosure-at-zoo/a/157466853.html

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭plodder


    The word on SM is that the perpetrator was someone with a serious intellectual disability who was visiting in a group with carers.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    These kind of things have always happened though, you just hear about it more today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 371 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Trump and Musk's band of frothing Nazi headbangers on the internet certainly weren't waiting to find out what actually happened.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,701 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    And what you hear more of is the quotes from non-entities on Twitter presented as meaning something.

    They are the equivalent of blowhards in the pub with an opinion on everything, but now they get quoted and used to prove points. Its already happened in this very thread.

    The guy who did it is apparently so mentally challenged that it is literally pointless even trying to interview him, and he is already under full time supervision, so sad as it may be this incident is really just one of those things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭XopherIE


    “These kind of things” which is referring to a 3 year old who could be dead soon due to being in critical condition did not always happen.

    Because disability or not, there would be consequences to actions.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They absolutely did happen. If anything they happened more frequently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭XopherIE




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah. All levels of violent crime were higher in the past.

    The number of murders today is about the same as it was in the 70s when we had half the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    A person with severe intellectual problems doesn't understand consequences. They can't even grasp what time of day it is much less right and wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭XopherIE


    Do you actually think that?

    Not being smart like, but do you think knife crime and random beatings or killings were more common in the 70’s than now?

    Like yes a pub brawl and stuff don’t exist now but I wouldn’t agree we are less violent now or more common etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭XopherIE


    Nor do they know what is actually real or going on.

    And if something triggers them they can’t explain their selves. That’s not my argument.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    I'm not sure what you are getting at tbh.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not being smart like, but do you think knife crime and random beatings or killings were more common in the 70’s than now?

    They were 100% more common. This is simply a statement of fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,120 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Violent crime was just as prevalent in the past but the media coverage wasnt there.

    A kid was crucified in palmerstown in the 70s .Dessie O Hare was cutting off hostages body parts in the 80s. Priests and dodgy uncles were raping kids for the last 100 years.

    James bulger was in the 90s.

    All the serial killers from the 60s to the 90s that had fancy names and were media darlings.

    A sister of a friend of mine was stabbed and killed in ireland in early 2000s.

    Yorkshire ripper. Moors murderers. Harold shipman. All in Britain, never mind the USA. And foreign language countries we know nothing about.

    Terrorist related stuff was just as common too. Read history books about what used to go on.

    It has always happened since start of humanity. Dont pretend its new, its not. We just spend our days online now, only difference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    A person whose problems are that severe should not be out in public unrestrained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Exclude the Troubles and it was slightly lower per capita in the 1970s than the last decade.

    Medicine advanced. People now survive violence where they wouldn't a half-century ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    Ehh I don't think I said anything about them being allowed to roam free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭deandean


    He was accompanied by carers but obviously they didn't have effective control of him.

    I am reminded of the terrible case where one 'jonty bravery' threw a French kid 100ft to his near-death at the Tate Modern art gallery in 2019. Despite Bravery's violent and uncrontollable history, he was still allowed out unsupervised and look what happened.

    The only realistic treatment I see for these violent uncontrollable people with severe mental health issues, is to keep them heavily medicated in an institution for their entire life.

    This was effectively what happened with Brendan O'Donnell who went on a murder spree in Ireland in 1994.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    The Jonty Bravery case was incredible. It was well known how violent he was and that he planned to commit violent crimes, yet he was allowed to travel to London unsupervised. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-56881724

    Today's report only adds to the disbelief that he was allowed to visit the gallery unaccompanied.

    The report says there was no "recent" evidence that he posed a risk to other children or adults he didn't know.

    Yet in the two and a half years before the attack at the Tate, Bravery was involved in at least eight assaults.

    He attacked and bit another child, he attacked a support worker with a brick, he dragged a care worker by her hair, he assaulted police not once but three times, he confessed he had thoughts about killing himself and others, he punched a member of staff in a restaurant and racially abused his care worker.

    There's a practise now for those caring for people with disabilities and mental health issues which places undue emphasis on the wishes and rights of those being cared for, regardless of how appropriate it is. I have a non verbal autistic brother, and several times he has had chest infections after being outside in the winter for prolonged periods with no coat, as he didn't want to wear one, according to his carers. If it's cold outside my family make him wear one, as he doesn't have the sense to know that he may be warm now but he won't be in an hour. I think it was similar with Jonty Bravery, he had the 'right' to travel to London unaccompanied, even though it was clear he had the capacity to be violent and dangerous. It's a complete overcorrection to past procedures, which took no account of the needs and wishes of those being cared for to one which fails to balance wants and needs of clients with sense and safety.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,106 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    So much for care in the community, eh?

    People who have serious intellectual disabilities with dangerous tendencies, whether through genetics, birth defect, or acquired brain injury need to be locked up for the remainder of their days, for their own good and the good of society generally.

    Pussy-footing around these things gets innocent people hurt or killed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,116 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124565274#Comment_124565274

    it’s the dangerous tendencies bit that’s crucial there: if it’s genuinely impossible to identify with a reasonable degree of certainty which of their patients have dangerous tendencies, then psychiatry is not up to the job of having “care in the community” in the first place.

    But I don’t believe that’s true: Jonty Bravery and Valdo Calocane both showed their violent streak. I’d bet a large sum of money that this man will be similar.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So one tragedy means tens of thousands of people should spend their entire lives in solitary confinement?

    Maybe they should just be exterminated, that would be cheaper, and probably even more humane.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    There's a slight tendency of threads like this to bring out the worst in people TBH. IMHO, they need to find out what failures occurred and what safeguards need to be put into place. This does very much so feel like a pretty awful freak occurrence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Every human has dangerous tendencies. We are all capable of doing terrible things if something flips inside us, either through a bad life experience, some medication that has a wierd effect on us, an illness or brain injury/

    Every one of us has had 'intrusive thoughts' and every single one of us has done something in our past that we regret doing and think 'what was I thinking'

    The phrase 'hard cases make bad law' is true. In life there is tragedy. This poor child was in the wrong place at the wrong time, the person with intellectual disabilities didn't ask for those brain injuries and was reliant on their carers to protect them from themselves and others, and the carers, will spend the rest of their lives regretting what they didn't do to keep that child safe.

    'Lock them all up forever' is substituting one form of harm for another.

    Ban billionaires



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,736 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Evil.

    I would say that the closure of mental institutions since the 1960s has led to a lot of crazy people roaming the streets in the UK and USA. I recall in the 1990s the controversy over the Conservative governments "Care in the Community" programme. It was blamed by some when some mentally ill people committed violent crimes and homicides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    The reporting makes clear that the person in question has some form of diminished capability, but it's not clear what. I've seen mention he is non verbal but another report a witness mentions him saying yes to his carers, so not sure the level of disability.

    I will say, having a non verbal autistic brother, there were times he has suddenly done things and it was hard/not possible to stop him. Stuff he knew he wasn't supposed to do but wanted to like take an ice cream from a child for himself (not embarassing at all when you're a teenager trying to apologise to an upset child and angry parent and himself enjoying the stolen ice cream). He never in his life ever did anything deliberately to hurt another non family member like described though, if there was a meltdown it was normally people trying to intervene/control him who may have got hit in the process. We would always remove him if he was getting upset.

    It's a difficult balance, trying to ensure the disabled person gets to experience things without disrupting everyone else. So my brother came along with us for grocery shopping all the time for instance, but one of us would bring him outside for a walk around the car park if the noise was bothering him that day. It wasn't always fair to everyone around us, but it was necessary and now as an adult he travels abroad on planes good as gold (he's been to America twice now) and enjoys doing new things.

    I'd be interested to know what the nature of the disability in question is though, Jonty Bravery was described as autistic, but the pattern of violence he had would indicate to me there were likely comorbid pathologies.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,098 ✭✭✭aero2k


    Editing:

    What happened is awful, for the child involved, his family, and the person who jumped in to save him. Also for the culprit - based on available reports, he's not to blame either.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124565435#Comment_124565435

    I think you could have left it as "psychiatry is not up to the job".😀

    Yes, there are many cases where potential for violence is not identified or properly managed, but the other side of the coin is that many, many people have been detained and medicated against their will, when they were not a danger to anyone. It is too often the case that psychiatric problems are caused by the medicalisation of normal human distress - those responsible for this iatrogenic harm are never held to account. It's important to note that psychiatric diagnoses (of which there are now over 300, I had actually typed "giagnoses" before spotting the Freudian typo) are made on the basis of checklists and subjective judgement, there are no biomarkers and hence no lab tests.

    Here's an article about the human rights aspect of this:

    https:madinireland.com/2025/06/if-forced-treatment-amounts-to-torture-how-can-it-legally-and-morally-be-retained/

    There are many more similar articles on https://www.madinamerica.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,448 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why are you using this tragedy to promote some website with an agenda?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,895 ✭✭✭Dublin Calling


    The current thinking has swung from institutionalisation to care in the community. You could argue it was swung too far. This is one of the reasons schools now have so many SNA's. Some are dedicated to just watching/following one child all day. I know several people working as SNAs and in psychiatric care in community.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,083 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You could say that - and I am saying it.

    Some SNAs are actually security guards.



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