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The 'grooming ' gang UK independent report

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I don't think that's entirely suprising. The network involved a lot of literally interrelated people, the abuse was carried out by related Pakistani clan members. It was partly how it was able to happen for so long, as they would back each other up and not snitch on each other. It goes without saying that related people are more than likely to have the same religion as one another. If a crime in question were attributed to another highly interrelated group, such as Irish travellers, I would expect Catholicism to be overrepresented for that crime network when compared to the general population.

    While the crime was obviously cultural, I do feel it is likely that their muslim faith was a fundamental part of the culture that made such crimes palatable. Views that women and girls are inferior to men is backed up by the koran, as is the view that non muslims are inferior to muslims. Any supremacist belief system that regards one group as superior to another group facilitates a culture where exploitation and animosity towards out groups is more likely to happen. Thus, Christian and Sikh girls were seen as exploitable, due to their inferior status as female and their inferior status as non muslims. Having said that, I doubt scumbags like these were in any way respectful towards muslim girls, it's just abuse towards them didn't play out in the same open fashion.

    The denial of this for years by police and politicians is absolutely shameful, as are the repeated accusations of racism that were given to people like Maggie Oliver who tried to publicise this issue and get justice for the victims. Even now, I still occasionally come across newspaper articles and editorials that downplay the ethnic background of the perpetrators. One trick is conflating the particular form/pattern of abuse carried out by the grooming gangs with all sexual abuse of minors in the UK to create the impression that the abuse had no or little ethnic dimension, e.g by stating only x% abuse of minors was carried out by Pakistani muslims, ignoring that a subset of abuse; organised grooming gang abuse, was almost exclusively carried by pakistani muslims in a clan fashion. The other is to focus on the relatively unprivileged background of many of the victims, to suggest that concerns were ignored more because of class issues than because of racial concerns, when the truth is that both were important factors in why it continued for so many years. The worst thing for me is that so many of these cleverly written attempts to diminish the ethnic factor for the abuse are diseminated by people and publications who pride themselves on being progressive, while their progressiveness seems to be undue deference towards patriarchal male attitudes from ethnic minorities with the age old lack of respect for unseemly girls of lower classes.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭aero2k


    That's a really well written post. Imagine how it feels for the many victims - let down so badly at the time, ignored, gaslit and victim blamed, and now, when the whole world knows what happened, some seek to downplay various aspects of these heinous crimes in the manner you have described so well. Disgusting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,115 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I've just realised that the report referred to in the OP is from an independent group, and not the government one which is yet to do their work. The Lowe report concludes that 250,000 girls were abused across 149 local authority areas.

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/independent-report-alleges-250000-girls-exploited-by-uk-grooming-gangs-6050327?utm_source=rtnewsnoe&src_src=rtnewsnoe&utm_campaign=rtbreaking-2026-06-19-3&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2026-06-19-3&utm_medium=email&utm_content=access0&est=Vmu3P3nYNVzHk8m50J8sHw5rGD1EFIZfqMRiyTiAic6F2tcAbMC%2FzlS7uPtr68l9SQ%3D%3D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭tastyt


    There is a prevalence towards this behaviour by the said groups and this proves it overwhelmingly. However the world we live in won’t allow facts to get in the way of hurty words and feelings , especially when there is millions to be made from importing these people and housing them


    I expect this post to be taken down for these very reasons . Sad twisted times we live in . Children are collateral damage


    We have designed our laws in the west around certain beliefs , morals and ethics that we believe in , we have to accept that people from other cultures don’t share these morals or beliefs , but we are too stupid to see what’s staring us in the face , we can excuse everything, child rape , murder , beheadings , children stabbed in schools, but we think the word “ racist “ is worse than any of those things . Dangerous delusion , and so many innocent lives sacrificed for smug self satisfaction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Was The Lowe Report anything to do with Rupert Lowe from the Restore party?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,461 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've no idea what this "report" is nor where it comes from. I'm also curious as to why the link is shown as a single German word. I can't see anything about it in the news either. The OP just enunciates a series of conclusions with no obvious foundation.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,055 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    It's definitely been in the news in the UK. Now the report itself is very sloppy and obviously idealogically driven. I've read claims that the witness testimony might not all be genuine. I don't know how genuine those claims are, a lot of political discussion on UK forums is like political football, supporting your own team no matter what.

    I'm still glad that the issue is being discussed, because even after there was finally acknowledgement that grooming gangs did exist there is still an element of people being dismissed as racists if they bring up attitudes of some muslims towards non muslim women.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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