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The disgusting racism in the Immigration thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Ignorance is bliss.


    Do you think Bertie’s comments were wrong when you look at the state of the UK right now? Go and look up the evidence and statistics that you keep mentioning or does Google not work for you now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I discussed that on the Bertie thread .

    The point is that the poster has been down this road before and appears to be feigning ignorance about racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    This is the perfect example of throwing your toys out of the pram because your not getting your way.


    “Why won’t people agree with me” instead of “maybe I’m the issue”.

    Shout and call everyone else that doesn’t agree with your opinion is not racist it’s your opinion which is perfectly allowed but trying to slander or put words into people’s mouth without them saying it is the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Completely agree with you, context is key. Something your lacking in every argument.

    edit: this was part after was aimed at Goldengirl

    Instead of crying wolf which seems to be your favourite thing to do, why not actually show where the racism and issues are and the mods and other members of this website will condemn.

    Stop living in your own head and actually discuss the issues and how we as a community like this one resolve it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Excuse me ?

    "Nowhere did I say the comments were not racist."

    I am not going to trawl back now but you have said the comments were not racist and have repeated it more than once .

    In the end you changed the venue to the immigration thread because you got so much schtick for it on the Bertie thread .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Convenient, you make a claim and won't back it up….I never said his comments could not be considered racist….never. You know this. My posts were clear as regards their intent, context and meaning…..so, get your facts straight, as my points were way more in saying that what he said does not automatically make him a racist person.

    And me agreeing with his points/comments is NOT me saying the comments/points cannot be considered to be racist….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Not going to trawl back through the comments but will throw accusations around left, right and centre.

    If you want to prove your point given evidence to support your claim, if not stop whinging.

    As the court of law states, innocent until proven guility. This is not Facebook this is a discussion forum based on issues not everyone is going to agree with you but slandering people because they don’t agree with you does not work in the real world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    The reason a lot of reports aren't actioned is because they're spurious. There are some posters who mass report posts and/or posters they don't like.

    Sometimes a post might warrant a warning, and/or the reporter's post(s) might.

    Sometimes it might take time for a mod to read the reports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Exactly. If a post or comment is racist it deserves the action it which it should receive. But crying everytime someone doesn’t agree with your opinion does not warrant that.

    In this instance, as a new member to boards I’m seeing a common issue here and it’s people accusing people of racism/bigotry and homophobia which is wrong and no one is disagreeing with this issue.

    But calling someone one of these without proof is the issue and until proven I don’t make my opinion. But crying everytime someone does not agree with you does not make them any of the above or xyz. It just means it’s a difference of an opinion.

    If someone one buys a fancy dinner and pays it for it via credit card that they’ll pay for it over x amount of months. Are they rich or poor? Content is everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 323 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    At least since fhese times, and yes, it was racist in intent back then. Probably sufficiently so that it doesn't get the benefit of the doubt today.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Not being smart then, what is the correct term in your opinion? And don’t say African Americans because this is Ireland. I want to be educated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    that’s completely different and you know it. Segregation of people in same country based off skin color was racist.

    Uttering a phrase “coloured people” vs. “people of colour” is not remotely near this segregation issue. And a person uttering the former is not necessarily a racist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    That’s what I’m confused about now too, so when did ethnic minorities come into this equation. Typical American without context pushing their own personal opinion.

    At the end of the day, someone is always going to be offended and you’ll never be politically correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭creedp


    well it’s quite obvious from the above tirade that it’s certainly beyond your capacity. Get out and about actually talk face to face with people and you might get a more balanced perspective. This is the problem with online forums where ‘perfect’ crusaders can go around labelling people for having opinions that don’t meet with their perfect utopian world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    " I mean nasty racism, not someone thinking, for example like agreeing with Bertie Ahern’s doorstep comments.."

    On this thread . ^^

    You literally argued that they were not racist repeatedly on the other thread .

    @XopherIE

    Your characterisation is incorrect not to mention you are putting words on my mouth that I haven't said .

    The posts you're talking about are not mine .

    "zOMG there's racist posts in the immigration thread"

    "OK, can you give me an example?"

    "Don't be ridiculous, it's not my job to do that""

    It's an easy mistake to make but if you read all those together as if I had said them , I suppose .

    But I didn't.

    As to the whole Bertie thread and walshb... You can go and read that yourself. Public domain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    But then how would the social justice warriors get their satisfaction and attention? In the real world, which a lot of people here now seem to lack context of, people are annoyed and it doesn’t matter if it’s the pub or the cafe down the road.

    It’s not racist to say, we have our own scumbags which is why our prisons are at full capacity, without needing to bring on more unvetted people.

    Our hospitals and healthcare are under severe pressure. And honestly Without immigrants our hospitals would also be at a standstill and would never been seen etc thanks to these.

    It goes the same for housing these skilled workers don’t get free houses or accommodation or even the praise they deserve and painted with the same label for keeping us afloat.

    So why waste time on people unvetted and wanting to be a drain of society instead of praising these other workers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,057 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    again. Failing. I said “nasty” racism. Bertie’s comments in my opinion, albeit considered racist, had no element of nastiness or intent..context and situations key!

    Please show my posts where I constantly argued that “his comments” were not racist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    In the case in point it did take time for a mod to read the posts and action them ,I agree . The fact that they have been actioned is proof they were not spurious .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Okay a lot of information to go through here, what is the title thread? “Disgusting racism”. And saying Bertie’s comment are not nasty is not disgusting but accurate to some people.

    Disgusting racism is literal abuse or burning immigrants and families out of their homes because of skin colour. But agreeing with someone about a comment which, yes can be taken either way is not disgusting. I’d honestly say how he treated Irish people and the economy more disgusting than his comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    So instead of actually trying to educate someone or have a discussion you went crying to a moderator who’s doing this as a “hobby” without any praise and then still called them out and said that they were wrong.

    You got your slice of cake but wanted more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,634 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No . That's not the case . Did you miss the bit ( again) where I thanked the mod ?

    I have tried talking to posters on that thread .

    Educate them ? Really .

    Done with this .

    Have a good evening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,636 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There appear to be a lot of relatively new moderators in CA, something of a changing of the guard.

    Is there any process in place by more experienced mods / Cmods to review how reports have been dealt with by newer mods?

    Has any such review taken place of reports on the Immigration thread? In terms of whether there has been a slowdown in response to reports or for inconsistency with previous moderation?

    I mention it appears to be one of the most contentious threads in CA, and it is unclear whether the mod action on the Immigration thread about Rose of Tralee was in response to this thread or not.

    Similarly discussion of a case before the courts (an incident in Blanchardstown) was carried on for 3-4 days in CA which is unusual. A thread was opened in this area of the site about it but unclear if the eventual thread closure was due to that or not.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The problem is about 50 or so CA posters who are committed to wanting to say whatever they like on a platform that they're not responsible for. It's probably up to the owner of the site if he's happy enough to keep it going this way - apparently he is so far. The rest of the site is grand. I would suggest increasing the amount of posts a new account needs to have before being able to create a CA thread to, I dunno… 1000. More traffic and engagement and keep the re-reg trolls busy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    Not blaming you directly either, just picking you out because you’re vocal here about your opinion which is fair. I don’t know your background, race or orientation as in you experience racism, bigotry or so forth.

    Education is key and so is debate in my opinion because if not you’ll have the likes of a Reform party emerging in Ireland with one agenda and one agenda only without actually knowing what to do with the country and economy.

    And again that’s your opinion as mentioned I’m new. No bother enjoy your Friday night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    In my opinion, more controversial topics are going to attract more people, on both sides of the political spectrum to give their opinion.

    More people means more views and users on the site which as a business man/woman it makes sense but that’s the whole purpose of the forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Yeah, but that's not the hole of the site. You created your current account to create your latest devisive thread. Like I said, it's up to the owner of the site to decide of the direction of the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭XopherIE


    I created an account actually to discuss things about things related to Ireland and my personal opinions and hobbies.

    Again, another accusation thrown because you don’t agree with me but somehow you know how I think before I do.

    “Current account” because you can’t believe in 2026 that there is actually real new members who never used the website before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,206 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Dude, you're a re-reg troll. Own it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,817 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    12 hours later and nobody has provided proof of disgusting racism.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,704 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Some moderators stepped down at the start of the year and we picked up a few new ones, nothing unusual about that. It takes a while for a new moderator to be nominated, approved by the existing mod team and vetted by the admins. We also invest quite a bit of time in training them on how the software works for a mod, and also to give some guidance for some specific situations that can arise etc.

    Anyway, this is off topic.



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