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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That literally appeared in my Instagram like 2hours ago

    You seem to have the notion that Twitter has the monopoly on information. It simply doesn't. You like to think the world wouldn't get any real information without it. It would.

    We'd all keep spinning if the server was knocked off on the morning. I suspect you may lose more personally because who knows 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    I also acknowledged before that it's not absolute. So, you're not being serious here. Go read the post that I replied to.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,875 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The post you were replying to has no bearing on you posting something which is incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,110 ✭✭✭✭threeball




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,763 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    SpaceX under water, couldn’t be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    That's more to do with the algorithm, you can choose a custom personalised algorithm on bluesky if you want. Now the reality is you've got no transparent on the x algorithm and it is prone to push more extremist content by default.

    Oh we know, it's very loose in terms of what's acceptable free speech. Tracking jets specifically of Elon is not acceptable apparently but personally targeting a transgender teen who is an athlete is totally fine. Censoring for totalitarian regimes is also good apparently....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Trillionaire

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Rhyming pronouns with pronounce...

    🤌



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    Oh we know, it's very loose in terms of what's acceptable free speech.
    Tracking jets specifically of Elon is not acceptable apparently but
    personally targeting a transgender teen who is an athlete is totally
    fine. Censoring for totalitarian regimes is also good apparently....

    I've answered this before. There's basically a public interest test. Is there a public interest in tracking the movements of individual people? There might be sometimes, but generally there isn't because it is personal information that a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy about. Even if that information is easily obtainable through other public information like aircraft broadcasts, it's fairly ridiculous to claim that your freedom of speech is limited because you can't publicise the daily movements of Elon Musk …

    "targeting a transgender teen who is an athlete is fine"

    .. that's what this is all about isn't it?

    Most journalists here have self-censored themselves to avoid discussing that issue. Until Musk took over at Twitter there was the same censorship there as well. People like you want X shutdown because that discussion is allowed now.

    As I said before "Censoring for totalitarian regimes" is not good, but it's more a reflection on the totalitarian regimes. I imagine other sites like Bluesky will be censored in those countries as well if (big if 😁) they are perceived to be a threat to the regime.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,767 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    It's the hypocrisy and dishonesty as well (around censoring for dictatorships/autocracies) that bugs me personally.

    X (and probably other US social media that are operating in these countries) just knuckle down and do it generally. They are quiet as church mice about the politics of these countries and the leaders there + the policies they adopt as regards social media/the internet. They know they'll be given the bum's rush very fast if they say anything.

    When it comes to free democracies these centi-billionaire/trillionaire US oligarchs and their companies are bold as brass of course, out loud and proud screaming about any restrictions on their freedom to milk the consumer "cattle" as they please, bellyaching about how the leaders/politicians are all wrong, who they think should be in power instead etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    Of course it has a bearing. The post I replied to was about racism. So, my reply was in that context specifically. If you disallow any talk that some people think is racist, then that is the thin end of a wedge which leads to a situation that (ridiculously) arose on this site only the other day in relation to the Belfast stabbing incident. A poster described the perpetrator as "an animal" but was chastised because the term "animal" is supposedly a racist dog whistle when used against people of colour. Hard to believe but it happened. Open conversations about difficult topics would just not be possible if that level of language policing were to be allowed generally.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It's the irony of when people are being absolute arseholes with their language use. They absolutely hate people using their free speed to call them arseholes.

    It's always and forever just a case of 'i want to say anything I want without consequences' and that's what it boils down to. Quite literally nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    What are you suggesting? He bribed the jury?

    It gets boring when people blame losses in court as just being a matter of money. Of course, money helps. Hiring a bad lawyer could end up losing a case. But, hiring an expensive one is no guarantee you will win. One good thing about the American legal system also, is that the loser never gets saddled with the winner's legal costs. That's why litigation is so common there.

    You should read the article I linked about that case. It's a great example in how to lose a case graciously. He didn't suggest the jury were corrupt, or that his legal team did anything wrong. He just rolled the dice and lost.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    That's not an argument against free speech though. While some people may be arseholes, if all you can do against another person's point of view, is to call them an arsehole then maybe it's time to look at your own points of view.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The reason for losing was effectively cause they couldn't demonstrate lost earnings or financial damage. The part around Musk outright lying was proven. Musk also used a weird ass claim that "pedo guy" was a regular insult in South Africa. Now that part doesn't make a huge amount of sense since he also claims a private investigator tricked him etc.

    Either way, Musk abusing that man as he did ended up being a microcosm of what Musk has allowed X to become. An abusive cesspit where innocent people are frequently targeted by prominent accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,680 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    As I said in full.

    "Want to say anything without consequences"

    Making my point for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    There was more to it than that. He got an MBE from the British govt and honours from the Thai state. That made it hard to claim his reputation was trashed. Possibly claiming $190 million in damages didn't help as well. A lot of Americans would be sympathetic to even a wealthy person who is perceived to be seen as a mark for a frivolous or absurdly inflated lawsuit like that. The fact Musk apologised and had deleted the tweet were factors as well.

    I imagine Unsworth's suggestion to Musk to put his submarine where the sun don't shine may have influenced the decision as well. It was probably what precipitated the petulant reaction from Musk. Put two assholes in an argument together and bad things can happen. What goes around comes around.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I saw it on youtube. It came up as a video recommendation on their algorithm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Musk was trying to hijack a rescue operation for his well ego and pr so telling him to shove his submarine up his ass was a pretty restrained response, particularly from the man responsible for the rescue. So nope, there was one asshole in this scenario. I'm also pretty sure I'm not alone in remembering the fact that Musk fans were happy to claim it was true.

    I also don't view it as frivolous to combat somebody who claims you are a paedophile, particularly when they have a huge global reach.

    You've seem to have gone out of your way implying that he deserved it because he told Musk to shove his submarine up his ass. Which is vastly different to calling somebody a paedophile...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    Musk was trying to hijack a rescue operation for his well ego and pr

    Really? How can you be sure of this? I think that's quite a childish thing to say when you don't really know what was going through his mind. Maybe as the head of a company with significant engineering resources he thought he could help (rightly or wrongly).

    so telling him to shove his submarine up his ass was a pretty restrained
    response, particularly from the man responsible for the rescue

    Again, I don't think that response was "restrained" at all. What else could he have said?

    "Thanks Mr Musk, but no thanks!" maybe! 😀

    Maybe it's a cautionary tale for how social media has addled the modern brain and where the loss of previous standards in civility have led us. I'd say he is regretting it now as it was an expensive lesson for him.

    We're only arguing this because a poster claimed that as a billionaire he was always going to win the case (he should pass that advice on to Trump who seems to be losing a fair number of cases). I'm trying to point out to some of you that not everyone thinks the same way as ye do. Certainly, the 12 randomly chosen voters in Los Angeles on that jury don't.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The caves were not navigable with any submarine, he was told that throughout. You seem intent to justify him calling the man a paedophile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Of all the defences made of Elon to try to defend his comments on the diving expert is one of the most pathetic. The response from the diving expert should not have resulted in a billionaire with millions of social media followers calling him a paedophile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Says a lot that plodder is happy to call the hero of the hour an asshole because he was blunt with the manchild.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Of course it's about money. The court system is an ass, it's not really about who is guilty or not guilty. It's about whoever can put on the best show to convince the jury one way or the other. And expensive lawyers tend to be better at playing that game. OJ Simpson being the perfect example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,435 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    It was hilarious.

    Like a plumber interrupting the electrician and saying he has a pipe that can fix the wires. Then when the electrician says he needs wire not a pipe the plumber crashes out and calls the electrician a pedo.

    Musk decided he was an expert and that his expertise would save the day. His expertise was utterly useless, but Musk and his adoring fans insisted he was right and criticised the actual expert.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,763 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I see a few Teslas where I live in the US with bumper stickers that say something like: I bought this before I knew Elon was crazy. Well they can’t have being paying attention as this incident is Musk in a nutshell; his massive ego making him inject himself into major events and randomly calling people a pedo. If I’ve learned anything from the internet it’s that a particular type of person randomly calls people they don’t like a pedo.
    Yet after this people still saw him as someone they wanted to buy products from as he played into one area of their belief system (which plodder mentioned previously).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭plodder


    "The hero of the hour" indeed. Well what does it say? Maybe it says more about progressives and their heroes who can't be criticised, maybe a bit like Musk himself(?), until of course they are seen to switch sides and become the enemy. Then they are evil incarnate.

    If I may qualify what I meant though since I already acknowledged his gracious acceptance of losing the case and I don't know the guy at all. Telling Musk to shove his submarine up his ass, was an asshole-ish thing to do. Musk responding the way he did was the same (or worse). That okay?

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    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,164 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The response from the diver wasn't particularly bad or awful. He was spending time organizing a rescue effort while a billionaire was attempting to hijack the story which likely only added to the stress of organizing the rescue. Calling a person a paedophile to an audience of hundreds of millions is not remotely comparable to telling Musk to shove it. The latter was pretty justifiable given how Musk had been behaving up until that point. Musk never helped in this situation and tended to act as a pain in the ass for those who were actively trying to rescue those children, all for the sake of PR.

    Have you noticed how absolutely nobody is agree with your take? It's because you yourself make every effort to downplay the actions of Elon. You seem to think the diver was in some way wrong for pursuing legal action.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,285 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    You are really doubling down on your position? The guy was uncouth but he didnt call Musk a paedophile. This doesnt say anything about progressives, since its not a progressive vs conservative argument to call someone a paedophile. I think x has warped your mind to see everything in political terms.



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