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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    A Russian anti drone missile took out that fuel container. It can be clearly seen from the footage available.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,404 ✭✭✭Field east


    Anyone looking for a bit of light entertainment- then listen to the Joe Jacob interview with the late Marion Finucane on those life saving iodine tablets and while you are safely protected from the radiation of a nuclear A’accident’ in your under the stairs ‘bunker’!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Maybe, it's the 'especially' Ireland bit that's so ridiculous, as if it would be near the top of anyones list of countries needing this, rather than nearer the bottom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I better put in some stairs to the floor I don't have….or mayby not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    While a terrifying prospect, in terms of attacks on civilian populationss, a car bomb is still going to offer terrorists far more potential for a large scale attack simply due to how much explosives can be placed inside one… For security services, I think the focus needs to remain (?) on controlling access to explosives and the pre-cursors that can be used to build them rather than on the delivery mechanisms.

    That said, if your goal is to sow terror rather than to inflict maximum damage, a swarm of small drones armed with grenades / small charges would be devastatingly effective. I suppose a drone could reach places a car bomb couldn't too (e.g. critical infrastructure) but the defense against it remains the same: you can no more control the proliferation of drones than you can of cars so the way for states to defend against it is to focus on controlling access to explosives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    If Russia does collapse its treatment by the west will be key for a stable future for Europe.

    The treatment of Germany post WW2 (and indeed Japan) was better in ways than how USA allies during war were treated. The realpolitik of having a German bulwark against Stalin moving west made for some unsavoury choices.

    Not least of which was much of the population up to their eyeballs in enabling the Nazi regime got away without issue and became part of the new west German state. Nuremberg resulted in a dozen or so death sentences and a couple of hundred convictions but it only scratched the surface.

    In comparison with the punitive terms of Versailles treaty it was a walk in the park (despite the German/Nazi crimes) but it worked.

    Ukrainians are going to be given some difficult choices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,128 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Funny there's no condemnation from the likes of Carlson and Owens about the bombing of a very old church in Ukraine, but but I thought Russia were the last defenders of Christianity.

    You'd wonder at what point the Russian population will have enough, they've allowed this egotistical Hobbit to destroy their country and future prospects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,627 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Let's see how the Russian papers reacted to yesterday's surgical attack…

    "Nothing to see here, we're still beating those Nazi scum…, and we hit bigger!!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    When did ordinary Russians ever not have it terrible?

    Serf freedom was achieved over 160 years ago and since then the amount of Russians killed by their own government is up there with the current population of Netherlands. The horrors visited on their own is on a scale only seen in China.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭Alfaguy


    I gotta have that dog with the oil cover in its mouth as my new desktop screen saver. 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,627 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    And this is why the former Soviet states (most of them anyway) are scared sh1tless about ever being ruled by these fcukers again… They still have the first hand experience of living under them.. My own partner spent the first 7-8 years of her life in the Soviet Union FFS!!… and hearing of some of the horrors….. it's fcuked up..

    EVERY family has a story..

    Its why they were warning Western Europe for years about getting into bed with the Russians being a bad idea, despite their promises of 'peace' and cheap oil/gas… they were always told they were just scare mongering and Russia wasn't that bad now in the 21st Century… and now where are we…

    Who was right and who was wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,627 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    It appears Moscow is currently experiencing Day 2 of its Blitz!!

    Lots of videos showing up of drones flying…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭scottser


    Anyone even remotely sympathetic to Russia needs to be reminded of this:

    Ukraine verifies nearly 19,500 children abducted by Russia – Ombudsman



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    All very true. But I think the fact that this is really just Putin's war, there being no massive nationalistic fervour on the streets of Moscow, coupled with an acceptance that opposition and dissent isn't accepted in Russia, plus the fact that Ukraine has avoided targeting Russian civilians, means that it should be a route that is navigable. Distasteful, but if the war can be farmed as Putin's, and in exchange for Russia at the very least withdrawing to 2022 borders and agreeing to return all POWs and kidnapped children, some kind of compromise can probably be reached in terms of reparations and the presence of Western forces in Ukraine that would allow both sides to walk away with a sense of achievement (Ukraine) and some semblance of dignity (Russians).

    We all want to see Russia pay 100% for what it has done, but the reality of politics is that completely gutting the country would likely prove counterproductive in the long term. Insisting on Ukraine getting everything it is morally entitled to is only going to prolong the war - the question is where the line is drawn, and that's a question that only Ukraine should be allowed to decide. It's not for the US or EU or UK to tell them what is/ is not an acceptable deal.

    The one outcome I want to see is a world without Putin and a gutted FSB.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    That doesn't sound like a Russian doing the recording of that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    You might go so far as to describe it as a bit of a, I dunno… "cauldron" right now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Its nice to see Moscow getting hit. Most of the population there and St Petersburg have been largely unaffected by the war with most recruits or conscripts coming from the provinces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭amandstu


    The idea behind accepting Russia into the fold was that it would bring about democratic change through osmosis.

    That was not wrong but events have intervened .

    We will likely have to return to a similar policy in the future as coexistence is better than apartheid .

    The world is changing beneath our feet and we have to navigate the quicksands as best we can.

    The "End of History" seems like a long time ago.

    (Is Musk. ,and the rest of the entitled idiot class more of an enemy of the people now than Putin?-a busted flush ,I hope)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    Not fast enough. The interference by Trump and his cronies has only added time to the war duration.

    I'll link my own post from back in January where I said Russia missed the boat on maximising a deal for themselves in 2025.

    Do we want Russia to come to the table now to save themselves (if they even can be) or now wait for them to inflict even more damage on themselves first so that they're not a problem for Europe again for a few generations? I'd like to see genuine negotiations happen. Even those could drag out for a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,132 ✭✭✭✭josip


    "events have intervened" 😐️

    Why not call it as it is that Russians are fundamentally kuntz and are not interested in joining modern civilisation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,789 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Racist? "There but for fortune go you or I"

    Are the Germans"kuntz"?The Japanese?The Normans?The English?The Ugandans?The Spanish?The Americans?

    As John Martyn sang "One World".

    Lets get our collective heads out of the gutter and "keep on walking till we find our way back home"

    Events do always intervene.It is a law of nature.

    We can attempt to choose between one step forward ;two steps back or one step back;two steps forwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Democracy only works where it is a fit for the existing culture/political landscape.

    A culture like Russia between brutality under the czar, brutal civil war, Lenin, Stalin, secret police, abject corruption following Stalin etc etc was never going to be an easy project.

    Someone like Putin can only arise in a dysfunctional society.

    They are going to be a problem for Europe for a long time yet.

    Not allowing it to collapse is in Europe's interest. Russian implosion with their military munitions, modern drone tech, huge nuclear arsenal etc etc is some potential mess.

    I've no idea what the answer is; any reasonable political alternative is long since poisoned, thrown out a window etc.

    Current USA administration will make it worse to get the best solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,444 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Is it a case of the Emperor's New Clothes… has Putin, the f**king idiot that he is, unwittingly goaded Ukraine into targeting Moscow and exposing their "iron curtain of air defence" as a paper tiger?? And if so, is it now open season on Ukraine smashing Moscow's war-supporting industrial infrastructure? Why would they stop now when they've stumbled upon the realisation that the Russian's aren't just inept on the front lines, but all the way back to their capital?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Yep. But I would say the Idiot Putin (like his Bigliest Fan) has wittingly done the goading. In his geriatric delusion, he thought upping the terrorism stakes and targetting some of Kyiv's/Ukraine's most precious cultural heritage would deal a mortal blow to their moral. Instead, I'm fairly sure the wargamers in Kyiv had a Moscow Plan ready to go for some time, and were just waiting for the right time. The coincidence of the price of oil dropping and that attack on Kyiv was the perfect excuse to push the big red button.

    It's been quite a while now that Ukraine have been able to directly target and disable various air-defence systems, so I think they knew they could get where they wanted. Not sure they would have included random incompetent Chechens with man-pads adding extra baddabooms to the operation, though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,627 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Zelenskyy: we know that on the territory of Belarus, in the border regions there are repeater stations that help Russia guide their drones to kill our civilians. I’m giving Belarus 1 week to turn this equipment off, or WE will.

    https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3monqanyexk2j

    FULL
    DECK

    OF

    CARDS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,012 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Solovyov is practically lost for words. He's so rattled he broke ranks and called it a war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,660 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Prigozhin should have stayed going to Moscow. If the current defence is anything to go by, you can see why Putin was spooked at the time.

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