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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭creedp


    That’s the problem with good old be kind Ireland. We blather on about having no choice but to adhere to our EU/International obligations but don’t enforce these obligations on others. That would be embarrassing and only seek to damage our esteemed reputation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Interesting statistics on this from the UK. And given the conflict of Interest with numerous TDs who are landlords, its not difficult to see why they push the open borders philosophy here.

    Wonder will we ever see anything like these statistics set produced here.

    My wife's niece bought her own place about 18 months ago and rents a room out for the last 12 months, she advertised the room for about 30% below the market rate in the locality and got hundreds of responses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,332 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    oooh, is Ms Wakefield aware of O'Gorman's 2021 welcome in eight languages?

    February 2021 tweets outline the government’s plan to end Direct Provision and provide “own-door” accommodation to any and all asylum seekers in Ireland after just a few months. ..in English, Irish, Arabic, Georgian, Albanian, Somalian, Urdu, French.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,667 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Did she say "we need to buy up more houses" and then say build more houses when she realises her mistake, not the smartest I'd reckon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Is it just me, or does every Simon Harris answer to an awkward question begin with " i wasn't aware of that" or words to that effect?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    No, it's not just you, another response he's very fond of is... "let me be clear" 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Yeah bwcause I saw a few different videos in last few days and when I checked back his clothes were different but his answer is the same

    " let me be clear"

    "I wasn't aware of that"

    " as I have said numerous times before"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That's all the media training he has been given at our expense at work there. Its like Michael Martins favorite phrases are "in terms of", "its nuanced" is another and I think "let me be clear" has been uttered a few times. Then if you add in the universal "international obligations" and the infamous " lessons learned". I am sure there are more,.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    That looks like a wish list more than the law 😎

    There is no way this is been enforced here we are two soft and politicaly correct. The whole system is a free for all here.

    Post edited by tallaghtfornia on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    Yes they are well trained migration this migration that they sound like they are birdwatchers not politicians!.The only journalist they are not trained for is Ben Scanlon love watching there expression when he questions them 🤣

    Post edited by tallaghtfornia on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Ben scallan is the best journalist in the country now. Niall Boylan close behind. Have a lot of respect for Nick Delahanty now too

    Will be paying a visit to Treyvauds when im down that way soon hopefully.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,103 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Chartered A340 left Dublin for Johannesburg there this afternoon.

    Expect a deportation press release from Big Jim in the a.m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Is that true though? In my view, there is a hardening towards migration going on all across the developed world — the Irish government among them, with greater acknowledgement in the post-Covid / post-Ukraine migration spikes that tougher enforcement is needed. Governments are speaking more frankly now on the difficulties posed by migration and the need to try build more robust administrative procedures for dealing with illegal migration and asylum seekers / refugees.

    Those are steps in the right direction as far as I see it and, slow as they are, I'd be inclined to say that those wishing for more radical and immediate change (in my own opinion) going to have to reconcile themselves with certain realities that will temper their expectations. Those realities are not posed by left / liberal ideology — they are posed by the way our economies work, the resources we demand, the products we demand, the opportunities we demand, the travel we demand etc. The entire modern comfort lifestyle is built on globalisation, and with that inevitably comes migration which will continue to affect our demographics.

    If a Right wing party came along that was honest about this, and which took an intellectual and thoughtful approach to migration which acknowledged that each ratcheting up of policy towards migration must come with wider socioeconomic change (including downsides) and even the loss of some things we like, I'd find that more compelling. Unfortunately though they aren't targeting that particular thought market — swathes of the Right have clearly decided that their path to power must be built on anti-intellectualism, fear-baiting of migrants as dangerous savages and the general harnessing of anger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    The data on nationalities allocated council housing is going to be so damaging for the government.

    I posted proof last week I was sent from a friend in my native Thurles of how housing that is specifically designed for the elderly is now getting allocated to foreigners. This housing is adapted for elderly/infirm disabled people.

    A reminder below of this.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭Repro212


    You can almost hear him telling himself 'the serious face Simon, do the serious face'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    I think that is actually his "im a thick idiot" face. The cogs are turning trying to remember which cliche to throw out first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,202 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Post edited by lawred2 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Now that is the 2 billion euro question isn't has to be said



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭crusd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Disgraceful, local TDs and councillors should be kicking up a stink about this. If I lived there I'd be constantly on to my local TD or councillor looking for an explanation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Great counter argument. Really in depth. Not.

    He asks the questions most peoplen want answers to unlike the main stream media lapdogs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭tppytoppy


    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/more-than-40-south-african-nationals-deported-overnight-1915673.html

    Expensive flight but it costs what it costs to maintain a rules based immigration policy rather than giving immigrants who entered illegally an amnesty as the Green Party were wont to do and to which McEntee acquiesed so willingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 443 ✭✭tppytoppy


    Ben Scallan is an Investigative Reporter, the majority of Journalists in Ireland blindly report whatever a Politician has parroted to them based on the briefing mail which has been circulated to them by HQ that morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭crusd


    Polemisicst is the word you are looking for, not journalist. Agenda focused questioning using selective quotations, deliberate misrepresentatin and laser focus on only going in the the direction thier division sowing backers want them to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    It's always particularly interesting to note when someone stands up and publicly says the things they claim nobody is allowed to say, with no particular consequence against them for saying it. But I suppose you can't let irony get in the way of a good speech :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,099 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Big business is immigration

    Deportation charter flight to South Africa costs the State at least €735,000

    42 South Africans deported at an average cost of €17,500



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Marcos


    And surprise, surprise it didn't take long for his lies to surface. The state gives taxpayers money to allow housing associations like Didean Dóchas buy up housing which they lease back to the government for social housing. Except they prioritise IPAS.

    https://x.com/i/status/2067309088363470871

    And the best part, it's all done via an Isle of Man based company!

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,923 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    That money could have built another couple of bike sheds at Leinster House, and have enough left over to buy some bikes for it.

    I mentioned this the other day.

    I forgot to say another story sandwiched in the middle was about South African protestors demanding other African nationals leave to go back their home countries.

    https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/around-the-world-nauru-wants-to--MjViYjQ4ZDI3MmI2MjczMmVhMzJkZjBiNDNmMzcxNzM%3D

    It begins at 8:38.

    'They came with machetes' - deadline looms for migrants to leave South Africa

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg740l2jpr0o

    "Ghana, Mozambique, Nigeria and Zimbabwe have also been organising repatriations by air or bus over the last few weeks - with about 3,500 foreigners volunteering to leave so far.

    The South African authorities said the more than 500 Nigerians recently repatriated had been in the country illegally, although this was disputed by the Nigerian authorities."

    "Volunteering to leave"? You won't find that in Ireland. And it sounds like the home countries were picking up the tab. But, no, not us.

    Protest organisers deny their actions are xenophobic. They say they are sick of other Africans abusing the system and, as March and March leader Jacinta Ngobese-Zuma put it, "playing the victim card".

    "If you come into South Africa with a passport that allows you to stay for 30 days. When it's 50 days, when it's two years, when it's five years, you know you're breaking the law," she told the BBC at one protest in Durban.

    "We can't have South Africa being turned into a refugee site for all failed African states… every country prioritises its citizens and we want the South African government to do the same."

    So why are we expected to take South Africans into Ireland, when it's designated as one of the 15 safe countries?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    Now that's real journalism.

    The Journal should do one of there fact checks on this !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,134 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC




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