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Israel invades Lebanon. Again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭Miniegg


     as the country targeted for complete destruction should simply do whatever the sodding heck it has to do.

    Including warcrimes/ ethnic cleansing/ Genocide?

    If not why not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well that's a change in tone from:

    I don't condemn them for refusing to withdraw from strategic highlands

    Sounds like a shift in position there. From you "not condemning" to a "I don't expect them to…"

    Why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    the fact that the West Bank and the Golan Heights are strategic highlands

    The West Bank and Golan are illegally occupied by Israel - whether they are strategic or not. That's irrelevant.

    The ICJ ruled last year that Israel vacate all illegally occupied territory (that's not theirs), pay reparations to those cleansed from this areas and facilitate the return of the people to whom that land belongs.

    Israel is no better than Russia in illegally occupying territory.

    "Locked in a fight to the death with the Ayatollas" - LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel's colonisation and annexation plans will continue forever. Neighbouring countries with any natural resources are in scope. The sequence is well-defined: bomb repeatedly; murder thousands; issue evacuation orders; ethnically cleanse; take possession; move settlers in; advance further.

    Israel will not withdraw from territories it has captured in Lebanon, even as an interim agreement between the United States and Iran awaits formal signing, Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz said on Monday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Lebanon is now the core focus in the ongoing Israel colonisation of the Middle East.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/6/15/netanyahu-says-israel-wont-leave-occupied-land-in-lebanon



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I would say you possess some level of insight, except this is literally exactly what Israel is telling everyone they are going to do. Remember Netanyahu going to the UN with a map of the region in which Palestine simply did not exist.

    Gaza is only a rock in the driveway of what is the Greater Israel Renovation Project.

    It's disgusting that the powers of the world have been manipulated so blatantly and easily in to accepting and facilitating what it is Israel are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    That is the irony alright, that Israel is only doing what it said it will do regarding expansion and colonialism, and the West is still in denial or scared or complicit! Will there ever be a direct conflict between Turkiye and Israel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Why would Israel withdraw from South Lebanon again? They'd done so in 2000, and … look how well it turned out.

    South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) - Wikipedia

    Or is this one more irrelevant fact that we're just supposed to memory-hole?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Because if Israel wants to exist as a normal country, accepted by the World, then it will have to abide by the UN agreed borders from pre-war 1967.

    https://brilliantmaps.com/israel-territory-before-after-the-six-day-war-in-1967/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    President Trump's suggestion of Syria invading southern Lebanon is strange especially with potential Turkiye role. I expect Syria will want to evict Israel from Syria first.

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-israel--fears-trump-syria-plan-could-ignite--barrel-of-expl



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Well if the much ballyhooed 1967 borders brought peace, then they would have done so in 1967. BTW back then the West Bank and Gaza strip did not belong to "Palestine" as that was only fabricated later.

    Since about 2000, the pattern has become clear - Israel withdraws from territory, and that territory is then used to attack Israel. Southern Lebanon in 2000, Gaza in 2005 … but I'm sure if Israel withdraws from strategic highlands over its core populated territories, it won't be attacked from those … Remind me again why any sane government of Israel would do this?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    The strategic nature of the West Bank and Golan Heights may be irrelevant to you, not so much to Israel and nearly half the worlds Jews that call it their home. As your LOL comment … are you seriously suggesting that there is any circumstance under which the Ayatollahs would ever agree to "live and let live" with a Jewish state?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Remind me again why any sane government of Israel would do this?

    Because International Law requires it.

    And you been told this many times.

    Israel is ready a World Pariah - even the US is sick to the back teeth of them.

    They'll end up like North Korea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Once again, the International Court of Justice ruled against Israel - withdraw from illegally occupied lands. Their strategic nature is moot. And Israelis calling the West Bank and Golan "their home" is like Russians calling Crimea "their home". It is stolen land. It is illegal. It was not, is not nor will be "their home".

    Those lands may very well be important to Israel but until they learn that they cannot steal and kill their way to "freedom", they will remain a World Pariah and possibly another state found to have committed Genocide. The two-state solution is the only viable option - and Israel refutes it. That's their choice. But they have to accept the consequences.

    But do remind me Sean, how is Iran's utter destruction of Israel going exactly? How has it been going over the last 20 years? 30 years?

    I'd imagine you're pretty peeved that "your side" are being told to wind their necks in and get out of Lebanon. The wheels are falling off rapidly now - Israelis are even eating each other alive at the moment. It's terrible to see what they have become but anyone watching the last three years closely knew it could only ever end in tears.

    I sympathise with all those Israelis and all Jews abroad who did not want this done in their name and have tried to stop it. They will pay a heavy price for the actions of their Govt. They don't deserve that. But all those who supported it, justified it and even cheered it on should hang their heads in shame. As should you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    I would be perfectly fine with Israel being told to leave Lebanon, if Hezbollah were ordered to do likewise, at least South of the Litani river. Except they were, in 2006, and they haven't done so, and nobody has enforced this demand. So much for international law. But I guess international law only matters when it imposes restrictions on Israel.

    As for a two state solution, I'd be fine with it, but the question would have to be answered - what happens the day after? As for my comment about almost half the worlds' Jews, that was about Israel overall, and a forced withdrawal from strategic highlands would threaten all Israelis. Not just those beyond the much ballyhooed '67 lines.

    Regarding the above question about what happens the day after the implementation of a two-state solution, If the answer is "Israel's enemies just have another strategic highland to attack Israel from" then that's not much of a two state solution now, is it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Since around 1947, the pattern is very clear - Israel creates a conflict situation and uses it to seize land and ethnically cleanse Palestinians. The "existential threat" was only fabricated to give Western mouths an excuse to support Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel Genociding its neighbours and stealing their land is not much of a solution either, is it?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Still standing their ground against the invading forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Well, they tried a negotiated peace in 2000, that didn't work.

    2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia

    They tried unilateral withdrawals, both from Southern Lebanon and Gaza, and have been repeatedly attacked from both ever since. What exactly should they try next?

    To clear, I'm fine with Israel being told to leave South Lebanon - once Hezbollah has done so, as per UNSC Resolution 1701.

    I am also perfectly fine with Israel being told to leave the disputed/"Palestinian" territories, once there is a plan in place for the day after when Israel's vulnerable coastal plains are exposed to attack from the West Bank, especially Tel-Aviv.

    The problem is that the only "plan" I see from any of ye, is to memory-hole anything that can't be use as a stick to beat Israel and its Jews with.

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    When you say "they" you are talking about the 1990s. That's 26-36 years ago. It's like using the failure of the Sunningdale Agreement to justify not negotiating the Good Friday Agreement.

    When you say Israel is "vulnerable", even though Israel is the one occupying territory outside of its national borders, building settlements, and blocking food and medicine in Gaza for 2 years (and still it's on and off), I detect cognitive dissonance. The Northern Ireland conflict was largely because of oppression, and in 2026 this one is too.

    Israel's vulnerability is not more important than the actual death and destruction it is causing in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon and when it bombs Syria, despite it having an anti Hezbollah government.

    I heard an interesting analogy yesterday from a British analyst on youtube comparing the vulnerability argument was also used to justify British imperial expansion. Conquering Sudan was seen as protecting Egypt for example. Also in Central Asia, the British supported client governments to protect their control of India.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,741 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Indeed. We are expected to believe a state with 150 odd nuclear weapons and a formidable army, which is also backed by a superpower, is vulnerable. He should speak to harrassed Palestinian farmers on the West Bank if he wants to know what being in a vulnerable positon looks like



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The stranglehold AIPAC has on the Congress is a massive problem. They are trying to pass a NDAA that would integrate the US and Israeli militaries and limit the ability of the president to withhold aid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel won't stop being the aggressor because its goals are expansionism.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vyn17g832o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    So that's your justification for Israel's continued warmongering, Genocide, War Crimes and illegal annexations - " Sure, they tried 26 years ago"?

    Israel turned Gaza into a prison camp. The largest on the planet. Israel is an apartheid state - and it seems you are perfectly OK with that given your constant focus on Jews. 20% of Israelis are not Jewish.

    At least you've stopped using the antisemitic "Joos" in your posts so that's some progress.

    The illegal settlements and further land grabbing continues in the West Bank. Settler thugs have murdered, burned out homes, looted, stole animals, uprooted and destroyed olive groves (with the help of the IDF and Police).

    Here's a simple answer to your question of "what should they do next?" - stop killing people and stop stealing land. Implement the requirements of the ICJ ruling of last year. Implement the ICJ ruling of 2004.

    You keep banging on about UN resolution 1701 - I agree by the way. It should be implemented.

    Have a read of UNSC resolutions 446, 478, 497, 2728 - I'm sure you'd be fully supportive of those being implemented too. Right?

    You selectively call out one UN resolution but conveniently omit all the resolutions that Israel is breaching.

    Israel's vulnerable coastal plains are exposed to attack from the West Bank

    Attack from who? The Palestinians in their advanced fighter jets, bombers, attack helicopters, battle tanks? You're just parroting the Hasbara and invoking the "boogeyman". The most advanced weapon anyone in the WB could muster would involve a bit of Wavin pipe and some duct tape.

    You bringing up "memory-holes" is gas - your posts are entirely based on hiding and erasing inconvenient facts. When confronted, you just run away.

    Seems support for "your side" is rapidly evaporating. Israel's stay in Lebanon looks to be limited now and the whole Iran debacle blew up in their faces. The costs must be eye-watering.

    Stop killing people, stop stealing land, implement ICJ rulings and UNSC resolutions - then Israel might stand a chance of rehabilitation on the world stage.

    Until then, it's Pariah status.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Israel bombs Lebanon to delay/cancel US-Iran peace.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2026/jun/19/middle-east-crisis-live-israel-strikes-targets-in-lebanon-as-us-iran-talks-in-switzerland-called-off

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/19/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-israel-lebanon

    https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2026/06/19/us-iran-talks-in-switzerland-abruptly-called-off/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,928 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Lovely rhetoric from one of the Israeli war criminal.

    Israel and Hezbollah agree to ceasefire

    Far-right Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir went even further, saying after the soldiers' deaths that "all of Lebanon must burn".

    Quoting diplomats, the Financial Times said Israel's strikes on Lebanon had led to the postponement but there was no immediate confirmation.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Smotrich's comments were equally as bad.

    Hopefully, the ICC are unsealing their warrants for war crimes as I type…

    They must be the most odious pair of politicians on the planet. As a double act, they seem to be in competition to win the title of the most depraved human being that ever lived.

    It's hard to disagree with others who have posted that their language is worse than anything uttered 80 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭doyle55


     Itamar Ben Gvir tweet in full for those who didn't see it.

    For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep. All of Lebanon must burn!With all due respect to the Americans, Israel must make it clear to the entire world that the blood of our sons and the security of our citizens are not forfeit.

    All of Lebanon must burn. Our supreme duty is to protect the citizens of Israel and the soldiers of the IDF, and this commitment takes precedence over every other consideration.

    I told the Prime Minister, even in our private meetings: For every tear of an Israeli mother, a thousand Lebanese mothers must weep.Enough with the ping-pong. In the Middle East, you don’t win with measured responses and restraint—you need to go berserk. To obliterate. To crush the terror.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,941 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    If so, then why was Israel not attacking Lebanon before 8/Oct/23?

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