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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Cyclist indicated left (which is unusual, they rarely do it), but the girl ahead of him totally didn't at all left or right, so guy is accelerating behind her and then she moves into the direction so he slows down a bit. Strange really. I've seen it all, I really did.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a dedicated thread for dashcam footage; what you're posting essentially amounts to a series of anecdotes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Doesn't matter. This is a thread about crappy driving so it belongs here.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    The thread appears to be about whether Irish drivers are better or worse than international standards; and not just about bad driving. You should try digging out the dash cam thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭Diabhalta


    Nah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,963 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    One of my biggest daily frustrations is people who reduce a 2/3 lane motorway to a single carriageway that they then drive along in at maybe 20-30 km/h less than the 120 limit for no reason with a line of cars behind them.

    Why? Because what inevitably happens is tailgating and weaving, frustrated drivers illegally undertaking the rolling road block, and so on.

    There's no easy way to deal with it either if you don't want to undertake yourself - Sitting behind the queue/dawdler in the hope they'll eventually get the hint doesn't work, flicking the right indicator and giving them a flash or two of the lights to wake them up may work but may not.

    Fundamentally if you're driving along with a clear road ahead of you and a line of cars behind you or undertaking you, you're doing it wrong! Just move left, drive at the same pace, but let everyone else get on with their day.

    Related are those who jump between lanes to get a car length ahead, usually cutting off someone in the process and causing a wave of brake lights behind them. The only way to deal with it is to not leave them the gap to try and wedge into but not so much that you're sitting on the next car's bumper which is far from ideal either. Even if you're a few cars behind and just driving along, you'll still have to hit the brakes when the guy who got cut off drops anchor.

    The other thing that really annoys me on motorways is when you do come across an accident or just regular rush hour congestion that brings things to a halt, and you'll get the chancer running up the hard shoulder. Then followed by more lemmings because "if he can do it so can I". Meanwhile everyone else sits in the traffic. It's the same mentality that has them skipping down the bus lane and then blocking you from joining legitimately at the end to make your turn thus forcing you to block your lane as well.

    It can be a very frustrating time consuming experience just getting to and from work which doesn't help then with the rest of the day either.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Is it a recent phenomenon whereby on a congested road drivers will deliberately drive onto yellow box junctions (at non-major junctions) when travelling straight or left - sometimes seemingly to stop traffic coming from the right but on other occasions I've seen them just drive onto it for no apparent reason? And it isn't that they're faded or invisible - it's just weird.
    Almost every time I cross box junctions now where traffic is queueing, there will be at least one driver sitting there on it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,963 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yep or when they're behind you as you sit at the edge of the box waiting for the far side to clear, they'll immediately follow and end up blocking it when you move.

    People are unable to read the road ahead.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I've seen them drive on despite the far side being absolutely blocked with no room to squeeze in.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Yet all the brain soup idiots and government go on like everybody is doing double the speed limit everywhere and they want to reduce limits even further. It shows a clear lack of having actually been anywhere else. Don't focus on pure incompetence, idiots watching phones, crap drivers, crap roads, drugs etc. We are the worlds worst SPEEDERZ and it must be stopped!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,963 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    This is also very true. Can always tell when someone is messing with the phone. They're weaving in lane, slow to move off in congestion etc.

    The reason that there's talk of reducing the limits futher isn't just a response to complaining about "speeds", it's pandering to those who just can't drive properly.

    There's nothing wrong with driving at speed (and I don't mean stupid speeds - even just doing the limit on a clear motorway can be a challenge for some drivers) so long as you're aware of what's going on around you and can read the road ahead and leave time to react if needed. Unfortunately some other drivers seem to object to this and will try to block, race, or cause other issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,963 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's where the bus lane comes in. Sure just drive up that and there'll be someone who inevitably lets them back in - essentially rewarding the behaviour and encouraging them to do it next time.

    It's why I have absolutely no sympathy on the rare occasion that you see someone pulled in for doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Sallythecat


    The standard of driving in Ireland is genuinely high by international standards, and generally very courteous road behaviour.

    Anyone who believes that it’s terrible might benefit from trying to drive abroad!

    A bit of global perspective makes Ireland’s roads look impressively orderly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,201 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    No. It's a thread discussing Irish Drivers in general compared to other countries. Have you a raft of stills from abroad too?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    That many countries internationally have abysmal standards somewhat discredits your point.

    Nonetheless, while our collision rate resulting in serious injuries and fatalities is not as bad as most countries and has come a long way in the last few decades, it is still way too high and with sufficient willpower from all stakeholders - the legislators, policing, judiciary, road & public space designers and, most importantly, the public themselves, it can be reduced significantly.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    My own general hunch is that Irish drivers have become much better at honouring zebra crossings. Used to be a time where it was a total lottery as to whether a motorist would stop for a pedestrian but it seems more consistent now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    I think that if Irish drivers could begin to realise that they must turn on their indicators say, one hundred meters before they commence their turn, rather than waiting till they've actually started the turn, this one change in behaviour would greatly enhance the standard of driving nationwide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I admit to a bit of the fear sometimes as I slow and stop for pedestrian crossings, wondering and hoping will the driver behind also do the same (in time).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,963 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Part of the issue absolutely too is design with many crossings being just at the point of a roundabout exit.

    Moving them even 50-100m further down would be a help.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    That could result in some torturous layout of paths I suspect.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Yeah, it's more phone placement than crossing placement I worry about @_Kaiser_



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    One of my biggest daily frustrations is people who reduce a 2/3 lane motorway to a single carriageway

    That's not what a single carriageway is.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭creedp


    It quite clear what he is saying. Easy to be pedantic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,973 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's not being pedantic. Half (at least) of the problem on our roads is people not knowing basic things from the Rules of the Road

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭J_R


    Yes, this refusal to use the hard shoulder to allow faster traffic to overtake is now almost universal. Now its a very rare occurrence. Despite the Rules saying it is OK.

    From Rules of the Road

    A single broken yellow line along the side of the road

    This road contains a hard shoulder, which is normally only for pedestrians and cyclists.If a driver wants to allow a vehicle behind them to overtake, they may pull in to the hard shoulder briefly (but do not continue driving in the hard shoulder) as long as no pedestrians or cyclists are already using it and no junctions or entrances are nearby. Different rules exist for hard shoulders on motorways. See Section 11 for details

    I always move over - If safe. And see my over taker join the tail end of the long long queue of traffic ahead.

    What is wrong with motorists that believe it is OK to block other traffic. ? Do they not have the confidence to do a simple task, check if safe, move left, then check if safe and return to their correct lane again.? Or is it just simple pigheadedness ?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What is wrong with motorists that believe it is OK to block other traffic. ?

    Driving along (under the speed limit but not as fast as the driver behind wants) is not blocking traffic no matter what you think.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭J_R


    So what is it called ?. What definition would you use. ? A motorist wants and perhaps needs to drive at the legal limit to reach his destination on time but is unable to do so because another motorist is XXXXXXXX ? him ?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It is called being an impatient driver!
    If you need to get somewhere on time then plan accordingly.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭J_R


    HI,

    You can not plan for the unexpected. No matter how well you prepare.

    So, if someone comes up behind me and obviously want to overtake I allow them.

    I do not continue traveling at MY speed and smugly say to myself, "They should have planned accordingly"



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,228 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The idea that a driver should pull into the hard shoulder to enable a faster driver to overtake is a risky manouvre that over the years has resulted lots of in serious collisions (and presumably various fatalities).

    No matter what your reason for travelling is, you are not more important than someone else and this notion that you have that the driver in front of you should get out of your way is an arrogant and entitled view. If you cannot pass someone safely then wait until a safe opportunity arises and stop feeling that they are delaying you simply because you feel that you are in a rush!

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