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Christopher Nolan’s ‘The Odyssey’ (2026)

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    TBH while I have my issues with quite a few of Nolan's films, I wouldn't say it's fair to say all his work has a central 'gimmick'. Inception and Tenet sure rely a lot on their high concept premises - I think Inception has more than enough going on it otherwise to keep things interesting, and only Tenet really struggles with the pressure put upon it by the self-imposed complexity of the central idea.

    You could argue Dunkirk also has a formal gimmick in its use of time dilation editing, but that does serve a pretty straightforward war film otherwise.

    But do Oppenheimer, the Batman movies, Interstellar etc… rely on a 'gimmick'? I'd argue not, and no indication that The Odyssey will either.

    Though I do think Interstellar is one of his weakest films, as I feel its overly sentimental in the end (though I do like that sequence with the video montage after they overstay on one of the planets) while its third act comes across like a sillier take on the ending of 2001.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,848 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I'd argue Interstellar has a gimmick with regards the time dilation and tesseract stuff. Then you also have Memento (I remember arguing with a friend who said Memento was a bad movie because if all the scenes played in chronological order it'd be horrible, to which my counter was that that's why the scenes aren't in chronological order).

    I suppose 'gimmick' may be the wrong word to use. I more took it to mean that a lot of Nolan's movies center around some big spectacle or idea which can result in hugely cinematic scenes. But I think Nolan does a great job of having emotional cores to the movies which go beyond that and use that central idea to further those character stories rather than just relying on spectacle and having a generic meaningless story just there to fill in the gaps.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,616 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Completely forgot Memento, which is to be fair a real cinematic 'gimmick' if ever there was one - just handled well enough for it not to matter!

    I think Interstellar is big and broad enough to not feel gimmicky. I don't think we should dismiss any film that has big, fantastical ideas in it as gimmicky - for me Interstellar is just a sci-fi epic above all else, albeit one with some particular ideas on its minds. Whereas Tenet's very form and structure relies on the central premise, which comes closer to being a 'gimmick' in my eyes - that's a film for me that drowns in its conceit and trying to keep pace with it.

    But again, as you say, we shouldn't just dismiss big ideas or formal gambits as 'gimmicks' - if anything, why Nolan is such a welcome voice in blockbuster cinema is his consistent interest in pushing ideas that nobody else does, even when we as individuals don't particularly like the results.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    It certainly does look alot better in Imax resolution.

    Shameful there is no True Imax screen in Ireland.

    You can see how the different formats compare here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I've been deliberately trying to avoid any of the buzz surrounding this, but inevitably some noise entered into my "reception" for want of a better word. And while I would consider myself relatively enthusiastic about a new Nolan movie I can't help but feel a bit dodgy about 'The Odyssey' even if I'm well disposed to the majority of his work in part or in whole. This is obviously stemming from the recent internet murmurings with regards to, frankly, bizarre casting choices and certain unease with dialogue from the trailer.

    The "daddy" line in the trailer that has some people exercised also kind of hit me too. Largely because I'm am used to seeing/hearing this kind of material delivered in a stilted RADA tone, with the applicable use of wording. And while all TV and movie depictions of antiquity are presented in a "modern" - and therefore completely ashistorical - submission, the use of certain words and phrases still have the power to bring one out of the piece that they are watching even if the viewer tries to give it their all. It'll, therefore, be interesting to see how much of an impact that this will have on the final film. But, personally, I do think that the staid delivery of lines adds to a certain "authenticity", regardless of the fact that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because characters within the Greek or Roman world wouldn't be speaking in such a stagey (and particularly British) fashion anyway. However, I simply cannot imagine something like 'I Claudius' where the characters speak in a mid 70's vernacular. It would end up being laughable, akin to Lorenzo St. DuBois in 'The Producers' doing Hitler…baby.

    Onto the casting choices, I have to admit that going with Matt Damon as Odysseus/Ulysses struck me initially. I have difficulty with Mr. Damon in any role, even though I generally like him in a lot of things that I've seen him in! So hopefully he'll prove me wrong again. But it is peculiar that there are absolutely no Greek (or even Greek looking) actors in this? Like…at all? Also, and I recognise the bone of contention here, but casting Lupita Nyong'o as Helen (cousin of Penelope played by Anne Hathaway by the way) just strikes me as being childishly provocative. I've nothing against Miss Nyong'o and she has pleased me in anything that I've seen her in. But as Helen of Troy? That's just odd, to say the very least. In addition Homer described Helen as "white armed" and "fair haired", ad nauseam. Traits that Lupita just does not possess.

    More odd is the (solid enough) rumor that Elliot Page has been cast as Achilles, the Greek epitome of warrior manhood. The "greatest of all the Greek warriors". I don't know what angle Nolan is going for here, or whether he was overruled by someone else, but putting a five foot nothing slip of a person into the role of an ancient Greek warrior (whether he actually existed or not) just sounds absolutely ridiculous. I know next to nothing about the, now, Mr. Page as the last thing that I saw them in was 'Hard Candy'. But Achilles? Or even the ghost of? I'm genuinely having a very difficult time seeing that.

    In any case, regardless of all the above guff, I'm still fascinated at how all of this will turn out. Nolan is an excellent film maker, even if I have my issues with some of his work. So I can put aside some initial trepidation.

    I will say this though. The bigger budget he has to work with, the lesser that work ends up being for me personally. I'd take a 'Memento' or 'Insomnia' over 'Interstellar' or 'Oppenheimer' any day, even if I like all of those films.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,727 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Was Achilles not also described as a bit of a twink? Credibly sneakin' around in womens clothing and passing as a woman… could be an awesome warrior without being a big buff lad. I've a feeling this one'll just make sense in context when we're watching. Nolan's not an idiot.

    I actually really like the Lupita casting… first off, she's suitably gorgeous. But in a film of beautiful people, how do you have someone stand out as completely apart from everyone else in their level of beauty, as Helen of Troy is supposed to? Well, casting Lupita is one way of creating an 'otherness' to the scale of her beauty. I felt that a bit in the casting in 'Troy'… like, obviously Diane Kruger is gorgeous, but was she particularly more gorgeous than Rose Byrne? Not really. Or Saffron Burrows? Not really.Or the actress playing Polydora? Again, I don't really think so…

    Lupita as Helen of Troy will visually stand completely apart from every other woman in the film, which I think captures the spirit of how that character is meant to be seen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,958 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Was Achilles not also described as a bit of a twink?

    Not in general, no.

    Homer describes Achilles as a towering strength. A swift footed, yellow haired, demigod of unmatched physical prowess that could wield a spear so heavy that no other Greek warrior could even lift it. Achilles was supposed to represent the epitome of Greek male "beauty" in that he was a warrior so fearsome that entire armies quaked in their boots at his mere presence on the battlefield and yet he was mild mannered and considerate off of it.

    There are later tracts about him being hidden as a youth on Skyros where Thetis (who was sometimes depicted as a Goddess) disguised him as a girl in the king's court to keep him out of war. While there he was getting it on with the daughter of the king and had a couple of kids. Odysseus goes to Skyros to seek out Achilles because he's needed for the war against Troy.

    But Homer never mentioned this in the Iliad. This idea came about in Roman times by the poet Statius during the 1st Century A.D. Exactly how this "disguise" went down is anybody's guess though. But I would suggest that it's merely some Roman mythmaking as they were always Greek wannabes anyway. Especially amongst the upper classes.

    In saying that, Homer (who according to Stephen Fry may or may not have been more than one person) more than likely made up Achilles (and many other characters in his works) completely out of whole cloth 400 years after the events he wrote about.

    But there's an awful lot of unlikely disguises going on in Greek myth, whether told by the Greeks themselves or much, much, later by the Romans. Deidamia, the daughter of the King of Skyros with whom Achilles had children, was even supposed to have disguised herself as a man and headed off to Troy with him!

    Lupita as Helen of Troy will visually stand completely apart from every
    other woman in the film, which I think captures the spirit of how that
    character is meant to be seen.

    Perhaps.

    But I'd love a time machine sometimes even if it's just to be able to go back and show the writers of work that Hollywood adapts just who it is they are casting for various roles.

    Me - "Hey Homer they're making a movie about the Odyssey and they've cast a black woman as Helen of Troy"

    Homer (in a posh RADA voice) - "Surely, my son, you jest with these words…also, what is a movie?"

    Me - "No, I'm dead serious Mr. Simpson" (Shows him a pic of Lupita Nyong'o)

    Homer - "WTF?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    So, my own current opinion having NOT seen the movie of course. Just the trailer and castings etc.

    The modern language "Dad" and all that, did make me twitch just a little. I get it. Get the reasoning etc. But yeah, we are just so used to hear swords-n'-sandals epics using "Father" and faux Shakespearean orations.

    Lupita Nyong'o as Helen casting: No problem

    Elliot Paige as Achilles casting: That's throwing me for sure. I'm SURE there must be a reason for such an odd choice. I mean storywise. I know it's a clichè but I've nothing against them. But there are MANY actors who I believe would be a better fit for the traditional Achilles roll.

    I find Paige to be too slight in certain roles. I thought she was miscast in Inception. She (at the time) just didn't have the gravitas of anyone else in the movie. I know some of that was intentional. But I thought someone like Anne Hathaway would have been better there. And it's not always the case with an actor. I thought Hathaway would have been better in Inception but I thought Jessica Chastain would have been better in the Hathaway roll in Interstellar.

    All of this of course is just my opinion having not seen a single bit of the movie outside of the single trailer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Are there any Greek actors in this? Having some Greek participation (extras etc.) while taking on a project that plays a big part in the history/mythology of Greece would be a nice nod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,244 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Probably as filmed in Greece but I dont think it matters. I can't recall Troy or Alexander having any but they weren't filmed in Greece.



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