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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2026 (Munster & Leinster Championships, Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Midweek games completely gone by June is disappointing also. Absolute feast for a month or so, like the Senior, then a graveyard.

    Was great to be able to watch the minor and u20 games during the week, even ones not involving my own county.

    Drove my wife mad.

    "Did Tipp not just play the night before last"

    "Yes but that was the 20s, this is the minors"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Why is their such an obsession with getting the game to take off in non traditional areas. Just embrace it for what it is, it is a niche sport played on a small island. It is more or less contested between counties in the Golden Vale. Even though it is only played in a small area, it consistently fills stadiums when these teams meet and produces madness that enthrall the crowds. Enjoy it and be thankfull for it, it is not going to take offin non traditional areas because of the thing that makes it so intriguing, its uniqueness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The two things that have existed since the dawn of the All Ireland championships are a panic about growing the game and the myth that any little thing is going to be the doom of hurling.

    The current panic is that football is good again and that's going to be the end of hurling. The same hurling that was already ended by soccer in the 60s and 90s. My favourite is a video of a North Mon teacher in the early 90s sweating about tennis and basketball being the death of hurling.

    It is what it is and will remain that way long after we are ashes and dust.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭C4000


    The reason football has improved so much is that the rule changes have brought it closer to modern hurling.

    Shorter passages of play rather than long spells of over and back possession. Way more shots being taken and scores landed, massive comebacks from teams that look dead and buried..…

    There have been loads of great hurling matches over the last 3/4 years, some of the best ever played. The Limerick/ Clare munster finals, the various Limerick/Cork games, the 2024 all ireland final, some epic county finals and all ireland club games across all grades. Even this year, which has had a lot more one sided games than usual, youve had really enjoyable games like Offaly v Dublin, Waterford v Clare, Waterford v Tipp.

    There were epic games 15 years ago and plenty of bad games also. Same as every era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Honestly games just don't have the same hype as they once did for me. Evening the timings are stupid now. All Ireland semi final is gonna be on at half 3 on a Saturday.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭C4000


    The period around 2009/2011 is often referenced as being a better era of hurling.

    Take 2011. Kilkenny won the Leinster championship by winning two games against Wexford and Dublin by 11 points each.

    Tipp won munster beating Cork by 8, Clare by 9 and Waterford by 21 in the final.

    In the all ireland series, Galway beat Clare by 17 and Cork by 12, before themselves losing by 10 to Waterford. Limerick got to a quarter final by beating Antrim by 19. Cork beat Laois by 35.

    I remember being at a Munster Championship game in 09 where Limerick drew with Waterford 1-8 to 0-11.

    Despite the epic Tipp/Kilkenny finals, it wasnt necessarily a halcyon period of hurling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 143 ✭✭5948ai


    I find the Saturday afternoon AI semi final a really low key timing. I feel AI semi finals deserve a standalone weekend for each as they had previously. New calendar doesn't allow for it obviously!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,584 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    It probably helped that kk and tipp didn't play each other five times in four months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It wasn't the calendar. There were complaints about teams having different turn around times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Shocs24


    Just to liven things up......how many Cork players would make the Limerick team?? 3/4 ??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,584 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Excuse me can we get back to endlessly debating the structure of the championship? That sounds dangerously close to actually talking about players and matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Willie Power


    I can totally understand the desire to get as many hurling counties as possible playing at the highest level. It increases the chances of more competitive games and differing permutations, it could only add to the championship.

    As Realt said, want more games in June\early July. April average temperatures are 10-13 or 14C. Pitches are often still heavy.

    On an aside I remember an interview with Ger Loughnane before the 1997 All Ireland Final, in mid September, v Tipp. He was asked if that game would be similar to the Munster Final the teams played in July. He answered that the Munster Final was in the heart of Summer and the ball would travel more quickly on a drier warmer sod than it would in September! Found it an unusual observation at the time, September 1997 was a warm reasonably dry month.

    "He might be an eejit, but he's our eejit"
    Willie Power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Just 2 - Hayes and Fitzgibbon. Maybe O'Donoghue on current form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Im sorry, that’s nonsense. If that were correct Limerick would beat Cork by 20 points every time they play. It might be correct that Kiely would only swop a couple but thats only because he has a system and his players fit that system. But player by player it’s very even. I mean, to put it another way, how many players would Ben O Connor swop in from Limerick from what he has? No more than Kiely, he has players matching his system and effective and all as, say, William O Donoghue might be, Cork would prefer the type of alternative they have. Same for loads of other really important players for Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its hard for either side to drop players for others. I can't think of any Limerick player I would drop for anyone but that doesn't mean they are definitely better.

    1 to 4 for Limerick are the ones I have no problem saying are better but that's not just compared to Cork. I would put them against any 4 I have ever seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,114 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Dublin could exit 2 championships (yes I know this is 'Hurling' thread) this weekend but after them beating Limerick last year ya never know

    Should be a big win for Cork, Offaly will put up a fight but will fade out in the final 10-15 mins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,540 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Yeah, certainly Id take Limerick’s 1to 4 for Cork - albeit in 2026 (as opposed to 2022 say) there is not much between the corner backs any more.

    in terms of all time 1-4s, they are right up there too but KKs 2-4 from 2006 onwards (at various times Tommy, Hickey, JJ, etc) were ridiculous and even Corks 1-4 in the early 2000s (Cusack, Murphy, The Rock and Sherlock) would be in the mix too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Gonna be close to impossible for Offaly but if the good version of Dublin that we saw show up against the very poor version of Clare from the last two years they have a good chance.

    The Leinster final version against Clare if they can get back to something close to 2024 would be in for a rough day though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Note that most of the Limerick players have 5-6 All-Irelands, whereas the Cork lads have zero.

    If you were picking a best 15 from the two countries what would it be then?

    • GK : Quaid v Collins - I go for Quaid
    • RCB: Finn or O'Leary - I go for Finn
    • FB: Morrissey or Cahalane - I go for Morrissey
    • LCB: Nash or O'Donoghue - a toss-up
    • RWB - Byrnes or E. Downey - I go for Byrnes
    • CB: Will O'Donoghue or Rob Downey - a toss-up, let's go with Downey
    • LWB: Kyles Hayes or Coleman - I go for Hayes
    • MF: English, O'Donovan, O'Mahoney, O'Connell, Fitzgibbon - I'd go with English and Fitzgibbon
    • RWF: Hegarty or Barry Walsh - I go for Hegarty
    • CF: Cian Lynch or Barrett - close one but you'd have to go with Lynch
    • LWF: Cathal O'Neill or Healy - I go for O'Neill
    • RCF: - Gillane or A.Connolly - I go for Gillane
    • FF: Brian Hayes all day
    • LCF: Peter Casey v William Buckley - I'd go for Casey

    I know some players play multiple positions and so on, but only Hayes and Fitzgibbon clearly make the team.

    Maybe could make a case for Sean O'Donoghue or Rob Downey. But equally could make a case for Barry Foley or Will O'Donoghue.

    So 11-13 Limerick players as of now.

    I would say that Cork do have a younger team with great potential, for example I'd probably rather have William Buckley at the start of his career than Peter Casey in his twilight of his, but I'd prefer Casey for a match tomorrow.

    Post edited by keeponhurling on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    LCB I assume you mean Nash and that's no toss up. Nash is on any team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    It depends on the system being used as others have said above. For example, lots of teams go 2 up top, with Nash following the 3rd inside forward further out. He’s fantastic at that and often the forward ends up doing as much defending of Nash as the other way around.

    But to play as an actual traditional corner back, I definitely wouldn’t say he makes any team the way you’d say about peak Sean Finn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Nash has done an absolute ton of defending around the square. Time and again he is the last line and saving Limerick. I am supremely confident in his ability to win ball down the corner and come out with it. Should have been Hurler of the Year in 2022 but Byrnes got all those great scores which tipped it.

    Nash is easily the best in his position in any tactical system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 691 ✭✭✭sportsfan90


    I didn’t say or imply that he’s a poor defender or anything of the sort, obviously he’s excellent. I was responding to your claim that he’d make any team. And I disagree with your last line that he’s the best corner back in the country in any tactical system. Sean Finn for one is better.

    Anyway tbh these topics of combined teams are one for winter when there’s no matches on rather than during the peak of championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,834 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Okay he is the best corner back on any team that isn't the team that already has Sean Finn on it.

    Isn't comparing the two favourites for the summer at least far less winter time than all the massively repetitive conversations about split seasons or formats that keep taking over the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭Shocs24


    Lynch and Barrett is not close. One is a 2 time hurler of the year, the other is a fine hurler but nowhere near Lynch's level



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭jommer01


    They're completely different players but of course it's close. Lynch is still a class player but it's five years since he was hurler of the year and he hasn't really been in the conversation in a few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭FazyLucker


    Think the whole season should be 4 x weekends of club games, 4 x weekends of county games with the AI final in late October. Croke Park is well able to be in good condition for the 5 games that will be played there, and any delay to club matches will be only affecting the lucky few.

    Means clubs are engaged with GAA from April onwards (at the moment, loads of Wexford/Waterford/Kilkenny/Tipp players gone to America), supporters aren't expected to pony up a fortune in 6 weeks, and the inter county game gets its best window throughout the summer.

    The best time of year for hurling and gaelic football, the biggest shopping window of the whole year, and the GAA shut the blinds to the masses. You couldn't make it up, a desperate own goal.

    If inter county managers have a problem, cry me an fng river the GAA isn't just about them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,079 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    If offaly did the unthinkable and beat cork, would that change the match ups in the semis, I.e Galway play Clare and Limerick play offaly?



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