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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    But I'm not arguing against it, I'm just saying that you have to be honest about what it would achieve in practice. 50% of the migrants in this country are EU migrants meaning they aren't here on work visas or permits — they are here via freedom of movement. The second issue is that tying the issuing of work permits / visas to housing specifically is difficult because the labour market needs to be able to move fast, and the factors driving labour demand are dynamic and changing all the time. Housing on the other is a slow, almost glacial thing in comparison — so it wouldn't be easy to align these two things in some kind of equilibrium without some form of economic hit, and that economic hit might create a catch 22 of there being less capital available to fund infrastructural projects.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭engineerws


    So 50% of migrants are non eu?

    I think most people find this topic really distasteful. I've plenty of non Irish friends and wouldn't want them to feel unwelcome

    However, given the housiing situation, it means reducing non eu visas or make accommodation unaffordable for large swathes of our youth. I blame the government. Israel, migration, ukraine, neutrality. We seem to following someone else's tune and it's not the fault of immigrants coming here to work/ study, it's our government setting policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    And refugees are not economic migrants. Yet that's the brush the far-right tries to paint them with. Care to defend it?

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Most "refugees" are economic migrants trying to game the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    You are CONTINUOUSLY telling people they are wrong yet are offering absolutely NOTHING to back up your position other than far left buzzwords and calling people racists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭strathspey


    Sweden votes to back laws reinforcing its immigration crackdown

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/16/sweden-votes-to-back-laws-reinforcing-its-immigration-crackdown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    If you're the one making the claim that the far-right position is correct, then the onus is on you to defend that claim, not on me to refute it. That's how things work. If you can't or won't defend the claim, then you have no claim.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I would advocate Ireland, the EU and every other country tearing up the 1951 treaty and making one relevant to the world we live in now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,278 ✭✭✭TokTik


    We already have the option to do this with EU citizens. We don’t. We don’t even keep notes on who’s in the country from the EU.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭plodder


    I think most people find this topic really distasteful. I've plenty of non Irish friends and wouldn't want them to feel unwelcome.

    I think you've hit the nail (or a nail) on the head there. People are afraid of what their immigrant friends and neighbours will think. But, they shouldn't be. It's perfectly possible to be welcoming and supportive of everyone who's here, while saying maybe we should slow things down for a while. I work with Indians and they are the nicest people. They fit in very well I find. But, one I know has just been laid off, and I haven't asked them this, but I seriously doubt he'd have an issue with pausing new work permits from outside the EU (including India). He's hardly going to want to be competing in an uncertain jobs market with others who aren't even here yet.

    Regarding EU migration, I visited Poland recently and was amazed by the dynamism of the people and the place. It reminded me of Ireland in the 90's. The uplift in the economy there (and other eastern EU states) will reduce migration from there over time. You definitely could not say that about the rest of the world.

    However, given the housiing situation, it means reducing non eu visas or make accommodation unaffordable for large swathes of our youth. I blame the government. Israel, migration, ukraine, neutrality. We seem to following someone else's tune and it's not the fault of immigrants coming here to work/ study, it's our government setting policy.

    Government should be setting policy primarily for the benefit of its own citizens and shouldn't be embarrassed to say it.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Folks, don’t feed the Sealion 🦭

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning?wprov=sfti1#



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,936 ✭✭✭enricoh


    1 year for migrants to get access to social housing in Ireland, 3 years in Sweden, 5 years in Austria. I know which country I'd pick.

    #not full, keep building paddy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,891 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    There have been hundreds, possibly thousands of posts in this thread that demonstrably evidence the issues with unchecked and / or mass immigration into this country and across Europe.

    The fact that you are simply either unable to understand any of them or you choose to ignore every single one of them, well thats a you problem to be perfectly frank.

    As you are either unable to understand any of them or you choose to ignore every one of them, it makes trying to engage or debate anything with you an exercise in utter futility.

    Literally your only possible responses are thats racist or prove it, despite the fact it has been and continues to be proven ad nauseum.

    That would indicate at best, at the absolute best, you are a dyed in the wool ideologue that is willing to ignore their burning house for fear of offending the arsonist and inconveniencing the firefighters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭aero2k


    OT but this struck a chord with me too. Almost 40 years ago I was a fresh graduate engineer, just arrived on an oil rig off the coast of Nigeria. I hadn't a clue what I was doing, so I was relieved when my boss called me on the radio and told me he was sending Charles Taylor ( I've changed his actual name but it was even more stereotypically English) out to supervise me. Cue my astonishment when the helicopter landed and out stepped not an English gentleman, possibly wearing a bowler hat, but the blackest man I had ever seen. Despite his London accent Charles was from West Africa. The historical reasons for this sort of thing are easy to figure out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭plodder


    Change the URL from x.com to twitter.com before you hit enter.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,591 Mod ✭✭✭✭Rawr


    A reminder that you cannot post related to cases before the courts. These posts will be deleted and further sanction given where needed.

    -Mod



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭crusd


    The dynamism of the Polish economy at the moment is a mirage created by the closing of the gap. Poland has a much older poulation that Ireland, with fewer young people and fewer children.

    Talk to Polish who have made thier lives here. They are happy to have a holiday home in Poland, but they are choosing to stay here to rasie thier families. Someone on an average wage in Ireland has a higher purchasing power than someone on average wages in Poland, when relative differences in cost of living is taken into account. A two bedroom apartment to rent in Warsaw is about 40% cheaper than one in Dublin. Average take home salaries are about 50% less.

    A lot of the indicvidual stories of "plenty" in Poland are from people who can live in in Poland while working for companies based in higher income economies.

    There is a lot wrong here. There is a government who are captured by the asset holding / hoarding class and are refusing to do anything to address housing as a result, however the grass is not always greener elsewhere. A lot of the problems we face are the same as those in many other countries



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Unfortunately we can expect much more of this, but the outrage will be aimed at those who report it accurately, rather than the actual perpetrator and those who facilitated their stay here.

    Look out for more generic reports like "a man" or if they give a location e.g. a Clare man watch out for the name and it's not the O'Briens from Ennis, or the Doyles from Lisdoonvarna. Whereas if it's an Irish person that commits similar crimes we not only get given their name, but their entire history including seed, breed and generation.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭tallaghtfornia


    I'm really curious the media and political parties and some posters here keep referring to the far right ? who are they ? are they a pollical party ? as far as I know in this country we have only centre and left wing parties or is it just a group of people ? apologies if this has been answered before ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Social Democrats are committing political suicide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,462 ✭✭✭Photobox




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,597 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Horrible bunch of self hating gimps desperate to turn us into America to make themselves relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Well that's different to what was said but yes it's very true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Absolutely, and they're the first ones to accuse anyone that disagrees with them and raises uncomfortable views of importing the US culture war talking points. Irony is lost on them.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,376 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    That suggests we don't have enough IT workers not that irish workers are being replaced, irish staff are definitely sought after but aren't there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Far-right poster cites far-right source in support of far-right position. What's wrong with this picture?

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,277 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    what word describes this behaviour. One cannot call it racism as it's not based on race!!!!!!!!!!

    Extracts from an article in today's BBC,

    'They came with machetes' - deadline looms for migrants to leave South Africa, South Africa has become a hostile place for undocumented migrants, as a deadline set by protesters for them to leave the country approaches. It follows a series of mainly peaceful protests this year led by the anti-migrant group March and March, opposition party ActionSA and others which have set 30 June as the deadline for undocumented migrants to leave.Sticks in hand, the marchers have been chanting "Mabahambe" - a Zulu phrase meaning "They must go". Joseph came to South Africa three years ago and was working as a domestic servant before having her children. Her legal status is not clear - she says she lost her passport and other paperwork in a robbery. She aims to go back to Malawi on one of the buses the Malawian consulate has been arranging with the help of donations for its desperate citizens to leave Durban. Ghana, Mozambique, Nigeria and Zimbabwe have also been organising repatriations by air or bus over the last few weeks - with about 3,500 foreigners volunteering to leave so far. The South African authorities said the more than 500 Nigerians recently repatriated had been in the country illegally.' "We can't have South Africa being turned into a refugee site for all failed African states… every country prioritises its citizens and we want the South African government to do the same." Protesters, like Mecha Ramorola, also point to the country's strained public services with South African "people fighting for scarce resources"."We are struggling to get our children into schools. We are struggling to get our old people into hospitals," Ramorola told the BBC during a march in the capital, Pretoria'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Any proof that I am "far right "?

    Or are you peddling misinformation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Yeah we know who is in the country and we know everything they are saying thanks to the "Doughnut" (GCHQ). What is being done about it is a different matter.



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