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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    Using AGILE methodology ?

    @RoTelly They all want their very own Pity Party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    She's flying under the radar and avoiding a grilling from a group of privileged TDs out to enhance their election prospects.

    She also probably realises that appearing never enhances ones reputation whatever evidence is presented.

    Oireachtas committee compellability has been shown to be a joke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    ”resort” is likely the key word there, as in 5 Star Adult Only Resort…..

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,237 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    KB4 was asked what he though of The Irish politicians versus the British ones, just before the last General Election, and that he'd being keeping an eye on the winners and losers on the night. It was a jokey type question at the end of a conference (indeed it finished a conference in both Cardiff and Donegal, I assume an RTÉ head trying to get at the local yokel and how embarrassing they are to the much more sophisticated London set.) His answer was light in note, after all it was a preprepared question.

    Though I would have put the question to him differently "What do you think of the management team of RTÉ versus that of OfCom and the BBC? after all you had to exit most of them I bet you weren't expecting that on your first day of work… ho … ho … ho", but I am sure that would be too much of a dig at the local yokel in RTÉ.

    The public service broadcaster has been shown to be far more of a joke. But remember everything that RTÉ is great.

    (By the way D4bes was offer the opportunity to write a statement or to take written questions, she refused. No she'd happy now that she's can be her pure cork self and a local yokel eating Clonakilty black pudding)

    Post edited by RoTelly on

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    she’s flying alright, frequently by the looks of things.

    How can appearing never enhance one’s reputation? You said as recently as yesterday re. The Toyman and Mr. Kelly that


    “There have been numerous reports on the RTE payments scandal none of which AFAIK have found NK to have done anything shady. In fact one specifically said neither RT or his agent bore any responsibility.“


    I offered some evidence to the contrary (which you of course ignored), but leaving that aside can you please explain how your completely contradictory points on this can be true?

    If The Toyman and Mr. Kelly bore no responsibility then surely their reputations would not be tarnished? Your comment on Ms. Forbes now suggests you concede they were.

    Intriguing..

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


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    Jaysis…..never thought if see that as a headline. Further proof however that the two are inextricably and forever linked.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Who wants to discuss the future of the TV licence?

    Very few as that would require some mental effort, much easier to continue to RT obsess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    We’re actually discussing The Toyman’s central role in the scandal and how he and RTÉ are inextricably linked….but you know that.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,732 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nothing stopping you.

    If there were media articles about that, naturally discussion would flow in that direction. But there arent.

    Instead we have whinging articles from ex RTE stars who were overpaid for far too long and are still in shock at no longer being able to ride the gravy train.

    So naturally there is discussion of those parties who did so much to make the licence fee repugnant to so many.

    But seemingly that would require "some mental effort" (your words)

    Much easier to "obsess" (your word) over people discussing other things.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Don’t forget “whilst ignoring evidence that contradicts your claim that Mr. Kelly was found to not have done anything shady”.

    The NKSFs and the TSFs don’t like having these things pointed out to them of course. The Toyman is rather fond of pointing though.

    Still hard to believe that an adult male is a fan of a talent agent and goes out of his way to both defend and lavish praise on him. Obsessed indeed.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Nothing stopping you."

    I know and I already have a couple of times in the last few days. Trouble is few are interested when it's easier to trawl (un) social media and the tabloids for RTOD material.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Well there’s a simple solution to that then isn’t there?

    You could have a word with Noel and ask him to stop feeding press releases containing stories about nothing or the most inane trivial waffle and/or manufactured stories about The Toyman’s Terrific Tales to those very same tabloids you’re complaining about and then there’d be nothing to discuss or laugh at. I don’t think the world would be a worse place with less “Ryan Tubridy wows fans and throngs of onlookers in Dun Laoghaire by eating a delicious 99 from Teddy’s whilst contemplating return to RTÉ if they apologise to him and beg him to return as he weighs up lucrative offers from the US and UK as he plans the second leg of The Bookshelf Live tour in such glamourous places as Wexford and Mayo” type articles.

    Similarly with Instagram et al. No-one is forcing the stars of NKM to post absolute drivel self-promoting nonsense on a constant basis.

    And there’s definitely nothing shady in that. 👍

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


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    Never thought Terry Prone and I would be on the same page…..

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    RRTOD. LOL

    "Despite the decline in trust in news, Irish people continue to trust major news brands for their information.

    When asked about trusted sources of news, RTÉ News (71%) and local radio news (71%), emerge as the most trusted brands.

    However, the increase in news avoidance is the highest it has ever been in Ireland at 47%."

    Trust in major brands but news avoidance grows - report

    When someone like myself starts avoiding 'news' this is hardly surprising. The only news programme I now listen to every day is Morning Ireland on RTE radio and then really for only half an hour.

    For me I just want to know what's happening, with less and less interest in commentary from politicians or so called experts.

    Hardly surprising that fewer and fewer feel compelled to purchase a TV licence when they have so many sources that don't require a licence. Attributing it to scandals is just the typical Irish excuse for tax evasion 'sure what will the government do with it, build another bike shed?'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,486 ✭✭✭Expunge


    She really goes in two footed, studs up on the Toyman in the article, behind a paywall in the Examiner…..

    "To portray himself, Gay Byrne and Pat Kenny as stalwarts presenting a show unchanged until Kielty has to be questioned.

    To give just one example, neither Gay nor Pat depended on cue cards to dictate their questioning, as Tubridy did. The programme was much wider in scope and less predictable with Gay than with Ryan. It would be more accurate to portray the Kielty programme as the inevitable next stop on a road set by Tubridy."

    "Tubridy's unique selling propositions are that he's a nice guy, he reads books and he gets along with famous people. The problem is this is simply not enough to sustain several interviews. So he ends up talking about the payments debacle."

    "The tragedy for Ryan Tubridy is that the controversy may be the most interesting thing about him. The unlearned lesson is that constantly talking in public about it is not serving him well."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Someone like yourself? Someone who ignores evidence to the contrary in your claim that Mr. Kelly had done nothing shady?

    I can see why you avoid the news alright, seems to a prerequisite in being a TSF and an NKSF.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    The cue cards quip is a delicious blow. Sounds like Ms. Prone was a fan of TLLS thread.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Does anyone know when The Toyman’s TalkSport show is starting? You know, the one he talked about frequently when he was let go from Virgin 6 months ago.


    Speaking of 6 months, NK still hasn’t updated the NKM website re. The Toyman. He still presents a morning show weekdays on Virgin Radio according to the website. You’d think the best talent agent in the country (according to some) would tend to matters like these in a timely manner wouldn’t you? Then again the constant writing of press releases must take up a lot of time.

    One other delicious piece in the Tubs page is the following:

    Ryan’s charismatic and warm personality attracted a huge amount of Irish and international superstars since the show aired on September 4th 2009, including U2, Saoirse Ronan, Ed Sheeran, Sinead O’Connor, Tom Cruise, George Clooney and Julia Roberts to name but a few.


    A couple of things on this; firstly, it’s not the host but the show and the audience numbers that attract the stars. Secondly, on the last named stars there, they didn’t come to Dublin….The Toyman and a small crew decamped to London FOR A FEW DAYS (guess who paid for that? It’s you and me, not Renault btw) FOR A 10minute meet and greet “interview” to promote a film they did together, complete with large backdrop advertising said film.

    These are known as “carousel” interviews where film critics, entertainment correspondents, etc get to interview the stars for a strictly controlled time period (usually 10mins) and then they are wheeled off and the next one wheeled in with the stars sitting and nodding politely as the same questions are asked over and over again. It’s the opposite of “exclusive” basically.

    NK might have to start putting E&OE at the end of these pages….

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The TV-licence + advertising revenue model is clearly broken given public habits and technological developments but still the government considers commissioning yet another report constitutes leadership.

    My own preferred option would be a supplementary levy on the LPT to replace the TV licence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Would you like a portion of that go directly to NKM and Slim Shady?

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    My preferred solution would be a complete restructuring of RTÉ. They’ve failed immeasurably in almost all categories bar current affairs.

    Maybe keep a dedicated RTÉ News channel on tv, and Radio 1 and Lyric on radio, but everything else (particularly 2fm) should either be sold off or just closed down.

    Make it purely commercial and survive or die on its own legs. There’d be no need for a licence fee at all then.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,104 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Honestly nearly every post you make in here is related to Tubridy or Kelly, even when in reply to someone who isn't talking about either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Not true, but then again the truth doesn’t matter when we’re talking about The Toyman and Mr. Kelly to the TSFs and the NKSFs.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,992 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    What do those acronyms mean? I don’t work in media/broadcasting, myself, but I’m, fairly, sure they aren’t industry terms.

    Also, may I, politely, ask what the majority of posts here have to do with the broader issue of public service broadcasting reform? If I wanted to read about Ryan Tubridy’s diary then I’d visit Instagram. This is the current affairs forum, not goss.ie or ‘Menopause Monthly’.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,136 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Dee Forbes off on her holidays.

    Great little country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    They’re explained a few pages back, they’re as much an industry term as the acronym created by your fellow Toyman and Mr. Kelly supporter @Cyclingtourist - if you’re so offended by them at least be consistent and call him out too? But you won’t of course.


    What do the posts have to do with RTÉ? They’re part of the continued and almost never ending tales by The Toyman of how wronged he was by RTÉ and how he’s the real victim here - as evidenced by Terry Prone’s piece just this week in The Examiner - that’s about as current as current affairs gets.

    The Toyman and Mr. Kelly’s modus operandi of the last few years appears to be issue a press release to the rags and online gossip sites variously telling us some pick n mix combination of how brilliantly he’s doing, how he’s never been busier (true to be fair, he worked 3x the hours in his time on Virgin for anywhere between a fifth and a tenth of his former fee arrangement with RTÉ - I guess that fraction varies depending on whether you tractor the shady deals into it or not), how he’s playing senior hurling in London (but not anymore), how he doesn’t miss RTÉ and being dismissed was the best thing to ever happen to him but he’s available for selection if they want to take him back which lately turned to practically begging interspersed within a “woe is me” narrative style, As your buddy was fond of saying there for a while - lol.

    The truth is The Toyman will forever be linked inextricably to dodgy and shady dealings within RTÉ - and this is the bit you lot continually miss - and it’s never going to go away and it’s certainly never going to go away as long as he keeps talking about it.

    Intriguing.


    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Amazing as always how your concern is only for The Toyman, never anyone who isn’t represented NKM à la D’Arcy, or indeed in a more broader sense Dee Forbes.

    That’s real obsession.

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Does anyone believe the present model of licensing TV ownership annually is sustainable in the current technological environment?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    No, I don’t believe it is - as per my previous post on this (which you ignored) I gave my views on the future of the licence.

    You ask for discussion. then ignore a detailed reply to your post. It suggests your request for discussion on the topic was wholly disingenuous.

    🤷‍♂️

    Yes, the salary is enormous, I understand that, but that doesn't affect my soul.



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