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DART+ (DART Expansion)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    4 Sets I believe.

    Set 3 is doing all the EMU testing. I do not believe set 4 have left Inchicore since being delivered 6 months ago.

    No point in delivering the sets with faults that are found during testing. All the battery packs have to redesigned and replaced as it is so thankfully only 4 BEMU sets delivered to date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    That's the plan, hence drivers currently being trained in the new training centre. But there isn't enough units yet for this to take place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Sixth train was craned in today, and put onto bogies.

    Coincides with the further delay of having the units in service later in 2028 than previously planned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    The 8100s will be really struggling with these delays. Most likley they will be running around until 2030. Some units are really in a bad way with external corrosion never mind the internals that can't be seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I think they are certified for another 8 years, but I could be wrong on that. There's a big lack of spare parts for them now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Has there been an official press release about this?? I’d love to see what the reasoning is, it’s hardly the same battery problem is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭orb123


    Interesting… IrishRail CEO said today in the transport committee they hope to deploy them in the first half of next year.

    Also interesting she mentioned every DART+ project except Coastal South in her opening statement. I'm not sure what if anything should be read into that since it's a very simple project.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Said opening statement

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/34/joint_committee_on_transport/submissions/2026/2026-06-10_opening-statement-mary-considine-chief-executive-officer-iarnrod-eireann-irish-rail_en.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Dart fleet still on track for mid 2027 so that’s the 2028 rumour squashed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Coastal South is the simples but most difficult project, as it mainly involves closing level crossings. IE are probably taking the long view that the demand from Bray to Booterstown for a better service when they see what is happening elsewhere, will overwhelm the denziens of Sandymount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭orb123


    I was mainly referring to phase 1.

    Phase 2 is the level crossings, phase 1 is essentially shortening a platform in Bray, converting Ennis Lane level crossing to a CCTV crossing and adding a crossover.

    I would have thought it could be done pretty quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Phase 1 will get done very quickly and doesn't need planning and is going to be fairly cheap so avoids most of the bureaucracy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    does it depend on the troubled Train Management System that's been in the news? I think it relies on reduced running time between Bray and Greystones to allow faster turnaround of services. I know the new signalling system is already in place, but can it be used without the TMS?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    No dependency on the TMS project

    The signalling change at Bray is fairly straight forward (though that could result in a crash of the current CTC system). The signalling in Bray was replaced recently enough so its a fairly simple SSI data structure change.

    The changes to reduce journey time are track alignment and the ETCS L1 kit is already live. If you could run the DART+ train over Bray Greystones today it would be ~1 minutes faster than the current fleet without ETCS, track alignment changes gets close to another minute saved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭Bsharp


    was of the understanding that increasing trains from 2 to 3 between bray and Greystones overloaded the signalling capacity and the Siemens CBI rollout was part of the requirements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Solution is reduce journey time between Bray and Greystones, today you can fit 5 trains an hour in, if you chop a bit of time off the trip, combination of ETCS, track alignment and the trackwork at Bray should save 2.5 minutes so gets you to over 6 an hour

    There is already a mid section signal, unclear if the plan is to have 2 mid sections, Bray got a new interlocking in April 2024 so should be more than capable



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Very hard to believe anything from Irish Rail to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the main issue at the moment is slack running elsewhere on the network - I've been on several Greystones trains that have been curtailed at Bray in the last few weeks because they were running so late. This means the corresponding journey from Greystones is also cancelled leaving an hour gap in the timetable. I was on a late train this week that stopped on it's way out of Bray to allow the incoming train from Greystones to pass. After the other train had passed we sat there for an additional 5 mins for no apparent reason before continuing.

    I'm very sceptical of any service that requires precision timing when the existing service has loads of slack built in but they still can't run it reliably.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭jwm121


    Saw this on TikTok… Shameful.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭Qaanaaq




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 360 ✭✭jwm121


    Went back and someone asked in the comments, the video creator said Dundalk. Someone else also made a good point that it doesn't look like a quick spray that took less than a minute. Easily 10-30 minutes… no one should have access that easily and for that long!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,492 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    That's disgraceful stuff really. There should be heavy fines & jail terms for anyone who defaces a train owned by IÉ. Whoever defaced this train with spray paint should have the book thrown at them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    They get lots of chances, but still reoffend quite regularly. Broken homes, and all that. Some foreign lads got some jail time on remand a few years back, as they were high risk of absconding. But no one here really goes to prison for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Alstom on the hook for the clean up, Irish Rail don’t own the trains until after engineering acceptance. Looks like the sidings south of Dundalk

    When the Mk4 test set hit a cow in testing, ripped the buckeye coupler off which then bounced under the train shattering brake disks, CAF took the cost hit for repairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    It really doesn't matter who is on the hook, it is a sad example of the way Ireland is.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,436 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    In fairness, graffiti is a problem in every country, not just Ireland.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,633 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Graffiti is in no way unique to Ireland. It's rife all over Europe. Renfe in Spain spends €25m a year cleaning graffiti. Germany spent €12m last year. Belgium €7-9m every year. UK £20m a year. TfL £11m on just the tube network.

    So it's not any kind sample of 'how Ireland is', it's endemic everywhere.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    It's disgraceful but it's still fairly rare in Ireland compared to here in Germany. I live near a rail yard where brand new Stadler Flirts etc. are often parked up on their way from the plant near Berlin to the customer and where they are destroyed by these scumbags all too often.

    The punishment should fit the crime and the actual cost of reinstating these vehicles to pristine condition. Basically people should be going to jail because a fine would need to be in the tens of thousands to cover the cleanup costs and most of these sh!ts don't have that sort of money. Our railway station is being renovated here. The painters aren't even finished and some hard of thinking moron has already tagged the noise abatement wall.

    Ireland should stiffen the penalties and better fund the investigation of these crimes and take a zero tolerance approach or it will get out of hand like here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    There was one lad who was given community service type punishment, and had to clean the trains. But he got out of it on health grounds, saying the cleaning solution was an irritant. Lazy prícks.



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