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GENERAL World Cup Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    watching how composed he was yesterday I couldn’t help thinking about Ireland defenders who without fail make stupid errors, and lose concentration in just about every match I can think of. You didn’t see a C V player doing a moronic Manning push in the box.
    We were ok at home to Portugal but they had Armenia at home to win the group a few days later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Nice piece on RTE about Pico Lopes' family:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2026/0616/1578692-judy-lopes/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    was curious had 4 draws ever happened in one day before



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Pico’s grandfather is 98 and lives on the cape verde islands still and is apparently well with it and active.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You would have to wonder whether it would make HH pick LOI lads if need be. I am sure he will be asked about it in the press and has at least taken note.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I got them stats from that James Richardson's podcast "Totally Football" - yer man who used to eat the icecream before that Italian soccer show in the 90's on channel 4.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,043 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I was going to say Ireland also charges for tourist visas but checked the US prices first and fućk me…

    There's a country that wants to be left alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    I watched them yesterday and if you think an Ireland defence could have kept their shape and held on for a clean sheet against Spain you’re deluded. There would have been the obligatory error and loss of concentration late in the game.

    Post edited by Elmer Blooker on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,836 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I see Infantino went into the Iranian dressing room after their match and promised to do everything he can to help them, after they were forced to exit the stadium immediately after the game and go back to Tijuana.

    Torabi the winger also only had a single entry visa so currently cannot return for the next game.

    So expect nothing to happen, absolute clusterfcuk



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But you said yourself we held out against Portugal. But of course you add an asterisk that you didn't to this game.

    Its just the typical barstool self hating Irish bullsht. It's as bad as fellas thinking we should pick League of Ireland players after this one game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's not the cost of the visa that was the problem it's the deposit some countries are asked to pay

    "In January the US government added Cape Verde to the list of countries whose citizens have to post a returnable bond of up to $15,000 (£11,200) before travelling to the US, on top of the visa fee"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Thanks for that. Just shows the totally racist nature US the present administration. And FIFA are complicit in much of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    It's not as simple as that. It's based on visa overstay rates and immigration skips from countries so the Visa Bond list is a fluid list of countries that are subjected depending on those factors and the types of visas awarded. Nothing to do with FIFA.

    Can disagree with it, fine, but there are factors that attendance in a football tournament doesn't waiver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,888 ✭✭✭Jaffa3000


    Its not racist to enforce your border policies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,590 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    I don’t think the Armenia away debacle has anything to do with with ‘self hating Irish bullsht’

    It was scandalous that so called professionals could play like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not that they are a shining example but Russia waived these factors for the World Cup.

    Other World Cups haven't forced teams to camp in foreign countries or bar referees.

    You can disagree with it but this World Cup has been shambolic from an immigration and visa point of view in comparison to every other major tournament most if us can remember.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    And thanks to your extensive knowledge of Cape Verde you know they would never have defensive fuk ups and bad games.

    It's the using one game and a country you know nothing about and making it about Ireland that is bullsht.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Canada is the only country to flatly refused entry for a player. I know you didn’t say the US particularly but just saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A man charged with rape. Not a lad who just happened to be from a certain country like Torabi or the Somali ref.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Did you smash it




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    For previous World Cups, FIFA had the countries pass actual legislation so this sort of shambles would not occur.
    The legislation for South Africa ran for 900 pages.

    So when FIFA say "we don't get involved", nope - they always have done.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,831 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭Economics101


    If your border policies are racist, then it's racist to enforce them! The policy in question demands impossibly high financial guarantees from people who just happen to have (in most cases) black or brown skin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Which is largely irrelevant. The rules are in place and are being applied as served. It's nice and easy to be able to look on from the sidelines and complain about how unfair and/or racist it is, but it's not some unknown quantity that ebbs and flows at the whim of what people feel about the US' immigration policies. They are in place and apply to all, they don't fall by the wayside just because someone wants to watch the football. I think most reasonable people would accept the US has a huge problem with immigration skips and visa overstays.

    It makes great book for the likes of Gary Neville to make even more idiotic comments about 'how countries have to accept that they are handing over parts of their land to football while hosting'. Sorry Gary, that's not how the world works, or should it. FIFA rocking up doesn't invalidate what measures countries see fit so as to enforce their security - nobody bar the US authorities and the ref knows the full story behind that block - not me, not you, not Richie Sadlier. Similarly, the Canadians executed their immigration policy to deny entry as is their gift. Nobody should take umbrage with this, at least no more than any other Joe Soap in a similar situation. Complain about it being unfair, fine, but that is about all that can be done - if you're a citizen of said country, lobby your politician etc

    As for the Iran situation. I think it's fair to say it's a unique situation, what with one country being at war with the other, so it was hardly going to be a scenario where all come out smelling like roses. But again, we are all on the outside of this with zero information as to what risk assesments the authorities made. As long as it all passes off without some major incident, I think most should appreciate the delicacy of things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Regardless of what you might read here or hear in the Irish media, the US remains a very desirable place for people to move to, and it's especially desirable for people from the developing world.

    For a awful lot of people looking to get a route into the US a softening of regulations for a sports event would be a gift.

    The inclusion of Ireland in the visa waiver program in the run-up to the 1994 WC made it much easier for Irish people up to this day to get to the US and stay beyond the 90 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    I think a lot of people happily get led on by the media in some of the outrage.

    The media have told us that the tickets werent going to sell and there would be half empty stadiums and ordinary fans would be priced out and this hasn’t been proved to be the case at all. The tickets are too expensive but the media got carried away and created a false narrative.

    Rigorous reporting is good to an extent but it’s gets to a point when people can literally say anything like Ian wright implying FIFA was fixed and Gary Neville saying it was a dictatorship because they hadn’t released the graphic of a marginal offside decision.


    i kind of agree with Infantino when people probably should “chill” a bit. Especially in Britain and Ireland. It’s only a football tournament lads.

    I think some lads like to complain about these kind of things because they have nothing to say about the football because they don’t really enjoy researching football ahead of a World Cup like they should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is how FIFA worked for the last World Cups, precisely to avoid these situations.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,068 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    And again, they were probably measures set out by certain hosts at the time of vying for host duties. Perhaps made their bids look more attractive, perhaps they preferred to get more rouble-paying bodies in etc........the US have obviously stuck hard to their rules and that's their decision, not anyone elses. The only decision a third-party has is to whether they travel or not per normal guidelines. Certainly looks like many have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,633 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's not their decision when they also want to host a World Cup or sporting event that is truly global in nature. If they want to have those rules, it is their decision - but a properly functioning FIFA should not give them hosting duties for a World Cup.

    And that is how FIFA operated up until this point and why we didn't have these issues interfering with referees, players and fans to this extent.
    So it's not "idiotic" for Neville to bring this up when it is precisely what happened with Germany, South Africa, Brazil, Russia and Qatar when they hosted.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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