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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    morally and ethically bankrupt! shur look at fifa!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    OK, not as simple as that, but the various interests along the chain do have to accept something of a reduction in revenue and accept a soft landing or hold out for maximum profit and come down to earth with a great crash as the bottom falls out of the whole industry.

    To be bubble has been around for over 30 years.

    When rich UK based owners sold up Russian and Americans came in, and they have since been replaced by even richer Gulf based owners.

    And the money gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

    I know it's a bubble, and I know it has to burst, but I forone have given up predicting when.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    and when it goes, those with the money will be fine, while those that dont, average industrial waged etc, really wont be!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    EUFA and FIFA complicit in this also, the rash of extra games at international level piled on top of European competitions extended to an additional contest, club World Cups, nations league, all requiring increased squads of ever more expensive players. $600 starting price for world cup matches, the burden of being fan of premier league club putting a severe strain on household incomes, where what was once a Saturday outing with a turnstile admission of the price of a few pints is now costing close to the weekly grocery bill to maintain home and away loyalty. And don't forget the parasitic betting industry leeching off the drained carcasses of today's football enthusiasts. I heard that the FIfa take for this World Cup cycle is over three billion, and has doubled nearly. That level of cyclic income growth is unsuitable when personal income increases teeter near zero. If it collapses, it will be with a big bang. They forget that vast numbers watching worldwide are still viewers, even if casually illicit ones and thats what drives advertising and interest and high ticket prices. Its understandable if fans are content to just participate in sport at the most basic local club level, because the higher level has become insane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    you re assuming decision makers care for fans!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    That's the pretence of commerce. We're here to serve your needs, or in the case of Sky, serve you a summons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭WoopWooWoo


    Sky sending letters to customers because of a payment to someone trying to get them to admit to using dodgy boxes. Its like something out of Father Ted really. I'm sure there losing a huge amount of broadband customers as well, love to see them go bankrupt and something else come in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    always possible, but probably wont go bankrupt



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    As I think I posted earlier in this thread, I would like to get a stream without the Sky offerings.
    That would suit me well as I no longer watch much soccer or other sports.

    I expect to see in the future some offerings that you can specify what channels to include …. might even have price differences.
    I doubt it is impossible or even difficult to do from dodgy source.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The people who got letters are not Sky customers. They are people who are robbing from Sky.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭NATLOR


    Already available to do if you use the right provider Also very simple to do yourself using an editor service or using a player that lets you hide unwanted channels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    How do you, or even Sky for that matter know who is using their IPTV subs to watch a single second of sky's offerings?

    Sky do not have a monopoly on what people choose to view on their television.

    I think this has been covered multiple times already, and think you're posting purely for a reaction to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    We do not know what information sky have.

    Sky could have the first names and last names from Dunbar system and then got the addresses from Revolut. It depends on how Dunbar was tracking the payments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    They know nothing. They would need an illegal tap on your broadband, a virus on your internet router or TV devices to definitively track packets to you. They would need to be able to open those packets and Identify them as originating from a sky broadcast. They'd need verifiable logs of those packets' routes and times. In short, they'd need to be able to watch what you are watching at any given time. They'd be the ones in court for data protection crimes and illegal taps. They have no way of telling from WhatsApp chit chat where you watched a match, or on which provider. It could be from CBS, or STAN, or any worldwide broadcaster. You might be watching the match from Keyna in Swahili, nothing to do with Sky whatsoever. I've watched Champions league matches on streams with Spanish commentary. If theres a breach of Sky's rights in this, it's to do with their exclusive geographical right to broadcast, but you're not the one generating the stream, and critically, a stream is not a broadcast. If Kenyan TV is available as a stream worldwide, they can't instruct you or coerce you with the law not to watch it. This is not North Korea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    Its looking like the only way you can get in trouble here as an end user is admitting to it yourself. Then if you're flagged again for any reason Sky could have a slightly stronger case with the signed letter on record. Even thats a massive stretch.

    Levelling up the media campaign slightly with these letters I'll give them that. They'll do well to top it. Its already in the realms of the ridiculous.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,007 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    They are people whose names and contact info happened to exist on the device of a person who has been convicted of breaking the law and who to be presumed innocent of what you suggest until proven otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,084 ✭✭✭✭briany


    This isn't going to work out well for SKY. It's just them flailing before finally having to accept some alterations to their business model. Remember how everyone stopped using P2P after Jammie Thomas was sued some ridiculous amount of money for downloading 20 songs to her computer? Yeah, me neither.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭WoopWooWoo


    A lot of people are going to owe 500 billion, trillion if she got 190 million fine for downloading 20 songs, fuuuuuucccckkkk…………………………



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    There was a case years ago when a legitimate subscriber in the UK used his mobile option to watch a match in a friends house, and Sky pursued him in the courts for effectively giving his friends 'a lick of his ice cream' letting them watch something only he was entitled to watch. "Sorry lads, I cant let you see this. I'll shout out the scores".

    Using a sledge hammer to squash a fly, they've been so successful in disproportionate cases that their arrogance is at a peak.

    The also sued a UK village publican who used her Greek pub sky box in the UK, but I think she won because she argued that the service should cost the same in the EU everywhere (pre brexit). The Greek pub sub was a fraction of the UK pub sub.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭John arse


    Full of goodwill - Fook them!😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The pub owner failed in her appeals to the UK courts after 2006. She went to the European Court and won there in 2011. Interesting history from before Brexit.

    https://www.5rb.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Murphy-v-Media-Protection-Services-Admin-21-Dec-2007.pdf

    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:62008CJ0403



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    Well done for digging that up, I can't find the case of the lads in the house, seaches just flood you with recent dodgy box news, but it did happen.

    Interesting Indeed. While SKY could not show bias during Brexit, due to Offcom's regulatory role, the same wasn't true of its EU hostile owner Rubert Murdoch, at the time engaged in selling Sky to FOX, and we all now their Eu hatred since Trump appeared on the scene. They never suceeded in taking Sky over though, they fell foul of regulatory impediments to do with bidding or something, and it went to Comcast. I doubt even Offcom could have kept bias in check were it to have come under the control of Fox, but by then the harm was done. Brexit was a fact, Murdoch celebrating on his rag newspapers.

    Regulation that keeps the news controlled and facts checked is a fragile thing, and is extremely vulnerable when dictators both corporate and political are in ownership of so much media, and say exactly what they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    This is the case of the woman who was using a Greek satellite box to show EPL games in her pub ?

    Since she won the case why wasn't the UK flooded with these types of setups in the years after ?

    It's mentioned on the podcast about football, pubs, Sky and dodgy boxes that was linked here a while back.

    What they said something like what happened after she won the case Sky started putting their copyrighted logo and music at the start of every game and that was what stopped it happening again.

    But I don't understand that, can someone enlighten me?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,614 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    How do you know they are robbing from SKY, they could be using the the device to access the service

    So if you edited SKY or other non free to air services off the device and allowed SKY to check it are you home free. So a VPN and two devices one edited and you are home free. Just stay off media

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    How does one find such a provider? I have no idea.
    Hiding something does not make it unavailable which is what I was aiming at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭NATLOR




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    It doesn't matter.

    If they find your payment details somewhere and then they get that bank to give them your name as they would be legally required to do and refuse to sign the letter they send you.

    If the IPTV service was advertising Sky channels it would be up to you prove you never watched a Sky channel not for them to prove you did. How to do you plan to do that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    prove you never watched a Sky channel

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    This is getting daft now.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,021 ✭✭✭✭irishgeo


    Instead of being smart, perhaps you would explain how would you prove you never watched a sky channel when Sky have proof you paid for an illegal IPTV service that offers sky channels?



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