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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 63,293 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Call garda confidential line, take SIM out of your phone if you have to but let someone know if you are sure about that, I'm not invested but there are absolutely ways to remain anonymous if you need that..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 hacoran


    When you say ' They're looking on the wrong side', what do you mean exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,879 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Where have I heard this so before? Here. Optimism so many times that this time will be the one. And it comes to nought.

    I do hope they find their remains, finally give the women a dignified burial, their family a sense of some closure and that the rotten ##### face justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    There remains many unsolved murders in Ireland …… some of these recent …… some dating back decades …… all have one thing in common …… lack of concrete evidence …… in many cases a name is associated with the event …… a name the police even know did it ……. but have no hard evidence on …… there were 2 relatively recent murders where I heard the whole local communities knew who committed the foul deed …… and evidence was later found to convict the known killers …….

    Related is the mystery of the couple in Fermoy who disappeared in early 1990s …… all sorts of things mentioned about them …… they apparently disappeared into thin air after a funeral never to be seen again ……

    And then there is Mossie the Magnificent …… where did he actually go when he disappeared into a cloud of smoke never to be seen again ?? !! ….. did not like tidying up the bathroom ……



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,905 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    I'd say OP is something beginning with T. Weird comments from them on another thread about a Bosco presenters son.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Unfortunately these type of threads attract all types of creeps and weirdoes. The last time there was a significant search reported, there were posters whinging about how it might affect their property values.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Nigels

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 hacoran


    Just curious, why have you posted this pic? It must be obvious to the better informed readers...... don't worry, if it's speculative, I understand you won't reply, does N surname begin with G maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 378 ✭✭sugarman20


    I would be amazed if it wasn't BG.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 hacoran


    The family have always believed this from very early on and locally I think this is what people believe, but without evidence or a confession, nothing will happen. It must be unbearable for any family who lives through this nightmare, I hope something turns up during the search.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭Day Lewin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    There's no such thing as better informed readers here.

    Anyone who pretends to be better informed is just speculating themselves or winding people up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    The family own the lands all the way up to the site. Before all those trees were planted there was significant work in the north west of that site. The search did not include that area. The pic shows the old trail. It was forested (nice coillte grant) etc etc Nigel is the current owner. The house belongs to you know who and so do the lands. That area hasnt been searched yet. The trees all chopped but that area is to the west of what was the forest. (The cover up).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 hacoran


    Thank you, that's a very detailed reply and you seem to know the terrain. Is there any chance that the areas you refer to might be searched in the future? AG was a very influential figure in the local area, for sure, and they got any grant that was going. Grangecon is a funny old place, as the old people might say....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭tibruit




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,620 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Because it is not fitting in with the conspiracy theory. Maybe the conspiracy theory is right however it is just as likly wrong.some want it to be a great cover up. Most just want bodies found if they are there and closure for the families involved.

    What we do know is LM operated in and around the area. We know he raped and badly assaulted a women whonhe probably would have killed if others had not intervened. It is likely that was not his first such incident and other victim or victims may not have survived to tell the story. But hey we want the conspiracy theory.

    I always taught the quarry was linked to LM

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭julyjane


    John Crerar was also from around there and was free at the time and probably not on anyone's radar.

    What's the likelihood of him reoffending when he literally got away with murder for decades?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Nigel Gillis owns the lands being searched. They own all the lands from their house up to the search area. Barry Gillis was the last person to see her alive, according to himself.

    Its not a coincidence the area being searched is as far away from the house as possible but still on his own land, affording him privacy but also enough distance to distance himself. Planting a few thousand trees on the site afterwards. They need to look along the western perimeter where the trees were planted as I said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I assume you have told the Gardai this (where they should be looking) and you are not just telling us here?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    How can you call without a SIM? Just curious and doubt if that makes you anonymous , especially to the Garda .



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 63,293 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    A simless device can still call 999



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Can you call garda confidental through 999..there is a number on the garda cars.

    Anonymously? I wouldn't sleep on that ear



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 63,293 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Just 999 as far as I know, don't know what last sentence means but you can certainly look up info about simless devices



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Last sentence my mother used to say it if something was unlikely . I mean I wouldn't depend on being anonymous to the garda by removing sim. . I also wouldn't be surprised if phones can be tracked when turned off. I don't know that but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Garda Confidential Line, Free-phone 1800 666111



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    I always assumed that the Garda Confidential Line thing was more to do with the Gardai not revealing you as a source to a 3rd party rather than them not knowing who you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 378 ✭✭sugarman20


    Look at it from purely a probability perspective. What is more likely? A. The same person that left her in Moone went back and picked her up again or B. Someone new came along and picked her up?

    Moone village on that date and time would have been deserted. This is a Thursday night at 11:47pm. How much traffic would have been passing through on that day during that time?

    Window of time - There is a very narrow window of time from when she was left in Moone Village and when she rang her friend. BG left her in Moone at 11:35 and she told her friend on the phone that she has a lift at 11:47pm. 12 mins!

    Phone box - She wasn't even out on the road hitching. She was in the phone box on the phone with her thumb out the door.

    Based on all of this how likely is it that someone new has come along through a tiny deserted village within 12 minutes of her getting there that is capable of killing her?

    In my opinon BG left her in Moone, continued his drive home to Grangecon. I think he realised his opportunity and put some half-brained plan together to go back and get her into the car.

    I don't believe he intended to kill her but she probably fought back or was stronger or more vocal than expected.

    BG in my opinion would have been acting very strange after this. He was very young at the time and this was a very serious crime so chances are he was acting out of sorts in the weeks/months after she went missing.

    I don't pay too much attention to Facebook but you would have to agree that the scar on his face does look suspiciously like a deep fingernail scratch.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Ok we know that this is what was happening.

    Jo Jo had been dropped off by BG in Moone.

    Jojo rings her friend and while doing so drops the phone as cars come along and steps out of the box to thumb, or thumbs from inside the box.

    A car stops JoJo drops the phone, talks to the driver, comes back to the phone, tells her friend she has a lift and hangs up.

    If that driver is BG he doesn't know what she says to the friend after she talks to him and before she hangs up, she could very well have said "I have a lift, it's with the same guy as the last one"

    So why does BG come forward voluntarily as the last person who gave her the lift to Moone if there is a chance that she has told the friend that information i.e. that he is also the person that picked her up from Moone?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 378 ✭✭sugarman20


    I agree on the first point, it was risky. She could easily have told her friend it was the same guy and it's very easy to imagine her doing so. In theory he could have asked her but yes agree that it was risky.


    With regards to the second point. What if she was seen, or he was worried that she was seen getting into or out of his car or travelling in his car? If he initially denies it that looks a lot worse. Very easy to see why he would be worried she was seen with him and came forward to say he gave her a lift.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,963 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    If he's worried about being seen picking her up the first time then surely he is worried about being seen picking her up the second time ?



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