Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

I dont know but if you dont have a QID you cant get employment or accommodation. Then you are kind of fuckked and you have to self deport. I mean begging is illegal and there is no social welfare system for non nationals. Yeah Qatar will kick you out if you dont go. Either you come in and be a productive member of society or you get. Does that seem unreasonable considering you pay 0% income tax?

How would they go about it here? Simple if you dont have gainful employment and accommodation within 90 days back from whence you came. You are not entitled to a social welfare fund that you did not contribute to. Solve a lot of problems very quickly.

Yes but from the very off, both countries approach to human rights and civil liberties in general is enough to put a lot of refugees off ever travelling there or feeling safe — not that either of them is even particularly easy to reach in the way that Europe can be reached and traversed at vast entry points. Qatar and UAE are also autocracies where law can be implemented without question or meaningful opposition.

To emulate their systems, you also have to emulate some of the things that allow those systems to be perpetuated. It requires certain sacrifices of particular freedoms and rights (not least among them, fundamental human rights) to enable you to have a tough unquestioning policy that can be implemented in Ireland the same way.

That's before you even get to the part where the practices and behaviours of these countries have been accepted (even rewarded really) due to the fact that they are both states whose oil reserves power the global economy and who have spent many years building sovereign wealth funds in the West which has given them clout and influence.

No. Do you personally want to visit the Levant, Pakistan or Afghanistan? I presume "No". There fore we going forward do not accept passports from those areas. Anyone with an Interpol Person of Interest may not enter. No passport no entry. Simple as. Yes it will make Europe off limits to certain people with no intention of integrating or bringing anything positive to Europe.

Yes, yes they do. Qatar is interested in protecting it citizens and prosperity. The EU is hellbent on importing the most dangerous migrants from awful places that wish to do us harm. The refugees do not bother with Qatar or UAE because they know the answer before they arrive due to past experiences. No we would not have to give up our rights to refuse people who have no intention of integrating or contributing to society.

Ireland is a global power by our location and oil reserves too. We have an unlimited supply of fish, we have Uranium, "more and better quality oil with a stable government than Saudi Arabia" (*source Providence Resources), and the trans Atlantic internet cable, Ireland also has the IFSC. I see us just as influential as Egypt, if not more so.

Also "No" is a full sentence.

"Say what you want about the leftists but they are generally peaceful when they protest"*

I'm sorry but I have to address this. While I hold no candle for any of the fringe rightwing groups, the only political violence I have seen has come from the left. This has been going on for the last 10 years from Pegida members being chased down O'Connell and Marlborough Street and assaulted. To members of Saoradh, heavily linked with the New IRA, the same group who killed Lyra McKee, attacking a National Party conference in 2022. To hitting protestors in a car, or to attacking Justin Barrett's muppets in St Patricks park last year. To left wing paramilitary groups issuing death threats to political opponents.

I can't remember any rightwing organisations proudly trumpeting their attacks on left wing conferences or the like, or attempting to knock down left wing protestors. And if they did we would never hear the end of it. Imagine a right wing paramilitary group issuing death threats, there would be absolute mayhem and it wouldn't be allowed to stand. Rightly so IMO. The media would be all over it and continually reminding everyone that engages in wrongthink that these are the people they are associating with.

I think I can safely speak for the majority of people when I say that political violence like this is a bad road for anybody to go down. Things are getting bad enough with the increased polarisation due to US Cultural War talking points being imported wholesale over here. The left are as guilty of this as anyone, it is imported via social sciences in academia while the right get theirs via social media. In a properly functioning society people can disagree without resorting to political violence.

*In light of what I'm written I'm going to assume that the word generally is doing the heavy lifting here. Or is it like those who described the George Floyd protests as generally peaceful?

That's all well and good — but you are not answering the question.

Whether you think they are eligible or deserving of asylum or not, and whether you believe Ireland should look after them or not, what do you once they arrive and they are rejected under your proposed policy? Again, rejecting them does not make them vanish or teleport back to Pakistan - you have to actually do something with them.

…a feat which would take some doing and probably affect the ways in which all of us are able to travel.

I wouldn't be one bit upset at compulsory passport checks at every entry to the state. This should be done in conjunction with the UK to preserve the CTA. Moving between the island of Ireland and the island of Britain also should require mandatory passport checks. And said checks need to be scanned checks, not a quick look and a wave on through.

I expect the government will buy more of these big hotels like they did with Citywest since they're making noises about moving away from private properties.

They'll fork out tens of millions for the buildings and still need to outsource the daily management duties to a private companies, so the payday wont stop any time soon.

More super centres coming to a town near you soon!

36.4 million people went through Dublin Airport last year, but yet there's somehow a flood of illegals?

That's only scratching the surface though. Passport checks are an important measure yes, but they do not make Europe inaccessible to irregular migration or IPAs.

Going back to an example I have used many times, during Covid we saw lockdowns on a global scale across the developed world involving the closure of airports to all but essential travel and the requirement to have taken additional steps in order to travel (such as getting vaccinations, which many in the developing world could not access as easily). The EU closed external borders while individual member states closed their own internal borders.

These policies contributed to a significant and sharp decline in inward migration and asylum application — but even this did not actually halt them entirely. And most people would agree that the lockdown policies were not sustainable. So that's what you are facing when it comes to migration and asylum, we've already seen that major globally-aligned lockdowns have a material effect but don't actually stop movement of people. That gives you an idea of how much is required to actually full-on stop it.

What would be the proposed alternative and would it come at a cost saving? Realistically we need to have dedicated centres but they will cost money to put in place and to staff and maintain.

Well, you're making my point for me really. Yes, economic collapse also leads to a reduction in the numbers of people coming (though not halting it). So we have seen that global shutdowns and economic meltdown are both pretty influential in how migration numbers go — but don't actually stop them — and neither of them would be considered sustainable (obviously).

I'd have to challenge a couple of your points here too. First of all, most of the inward numbers of immigrants are working and are on visas or via EU pathways. So they aren't being 'given' cushy rooms in hotels or 'fun money'. They are coming here and have acquired jobs and are earning a wage. Granted, we had a large spike of Ukrainian refugees in 2022 onwards, something experienced across many European countries after the outbreak of the war there. But aside from that, the percentage of foreign nationals in this country who are IPAs is pretty small compared to the numbers who are on regular visa / EU pathways. So, if it were all a ploy to drive up the population and enrich the connected, the IPA community are a drop in the ocean and you should be looking elsewhere when it comes to population growth.

Finally, I don't believe that massive migration is inevitable. I just don't think there are many on here or in Right wing politics or media who are all that honest about what it takes to reverse it. They just say — stop this, end this, prevent this, common sense — yadda yadda yadda, but they dutifully avoid getting into discussions on how they propose to achieve these things. Because that's where things start to unravel and their steadfast belief that it's all down to lefty liberals, 'fun money' and being too snowflakey collides pretty firmly with a giant indestructible bollard with 'Reality' written on it.

Interesting figure, 100 on each flight. Care to share how you came up with that?