Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Correct.

Minister O'Callaghan confirmed that no checks are made with the origin country of an asylum-seeker.

Either we speed up processing of AS, and stop giving leave-to-remain to failed AS.

OR

we leave that Convention, yes.

We have spent €20,000,000,000 processing the claims of 165,000 AS, it can't continue.

More nonsense spouted as fact

The very same narcissism exists on the Right though — and if you don't mind me saying it, you may be guilty of delving into it yourself. Why? Because you characterise the views of others who disagree with you as being explainable only be reference to flaws in their character, intellect or moral code. The way you write your post, the fact that there are those who disagree with you can only be explained by reference to the suspension of critical thinking, rather than you making any attempt to engage with the more difficult and reality-grounded arguments they may make.

The Right positions itself as the stoic, common sense voice but does so from a position of the most extreme comfort — that everything it argues on migration is an unmitigated 'win'. This is why they have always been so good at selling policy to win votes, but have abjectly failed at delivering it. Their bluster and dishonesty smashes into a brick wall of reality when they are forced to confront the fact that the wider policies they advocate still either necessitate or facilitate migration. They are dishonest on the sacrifices required to make radical shifts in migration patterns. They are dishonest on the fact that they don't actually advocate economic policy that addresses the demand for migrant labour. They are dishonest in that they offer no policy on tackling modern, easy, affordable global travel — perhaps the biggest facilitator of modern migration patterns today.

You and many others seem to operate on a misconception that the existence of modern day migration is founded on this whole idea of peace, love, being virtuous and being seen to be a good person. In reality, it has much more to do with how the world works, how human civilisation has always worked and the competing interests of neighbouring countries in addressing human movement.

I think the term spigot could be applied to asylum based immigration but in a reverse scenario. Basically the more you open the spigot the more asylum comes in.

Virgin media said Hundreds of people marched through Dublin city centre yesterday at an anti-racism demonstration while RTE siad there was over 2000. Of course, this wasn’t an organic, spontaneous outpouring from ordinary Dubliners, it was organized by activist coalitions.

They were, United Against Racism (UAR Dublin), with major backing from:
• Irish Network Against Racism (INAR) and linked migrant/NGO groups
• Trade unions including INTO, NIPSA, UNISON, Unite, NUJ, ICTU and others
• Political groups, and no surprises, People Before Profit and Sinn Féin
• Le Chéile – Diversity Not Division and various community/migrant orgs

Banners, speakers, and turnout all point to the usual professional activist/union/NGO infrastructure rather than grassroots reaction from the public. Legitimate concerns about the recent Belfast attack and migration pressures would benefit from honest discussion, not deflection through staged rallies like we have seen.

Honest discussions needs to take place. Mehole Martin is not addressing the issue as usual.

Are we going to stop our kids going to the Dublin city centre for fear of loonies from the usual third countries attacking innocent people while government is burying their head in the sand.

Seems to be almost daily occurrence someone being stabbed.

What the hell good is a finger print from some guy with no documents and who refuses to say what country he comes from.

A lot of them are also claiming to be under 18 when they are adults.

The so called vetting we have here is obviously not working.

What makes you think though that the renegotiation of those treaties would work in our favour?

I mean, in many ways, we haven't done too badly from those treaties up to now. In terms of dealing with refugees, we've had one of the cushier numbers for a long time. Aside from something of a spike in the early 2000s, the only truly massive spike we had was the Ukraine crisis and that came with the luxury of that being a European refugee population coming from a relatively more developed country that what might typically be the case.

So truth be told, in comparison to some other countries we've had it pretty good in terms of dealing with IPAs if you were to look at the full range of the last 5 or 6 decades. The countries who will primarily drive the renegotiation of international treaties are also going to expect that Ireland will pull its weight in burden-sharing — they aren't going to accept a stance that Ireland gets first pick of the best IPAs or doesn't get any at all.

Do it yourself, or better yet back up your claim that what the poster said was nonsense

Good question, it depends what team we field, we could do far worse than we are doing at the moment.

We have been taking Refugees whole sale for a generation and a half since the mid 90's. The Roma gypsies were mixed with the Balkan regfugges who happily returned home after the conflict to rebuild their own countries. The Romas remained and have caused nothing but trouble since. They offer no economic benefit. The only genuine refugees that I saw in my time coming were the Former Yugoslavs and they were gone after the war ended.

"Pull our weight"? Why should we pull our weight? We are not responsible. Conflict in the Levant? The Hitties and Ammonites were knocking the crap out of eachother 6 thousand years before Christ walked on the earth. How is that our "responsibility"?. Also who says we have to give international Charity at the expense of our citizens?

As for NGOs lecturing us you have heard of Oxfam, UN and other organisations who lecture us constantly of our responsibilites also guilty of human rights abuses and sexual abuse? Church of England had much of its pension fund invested in BAE (Air defence systems) a few years ago. Operation Mortor in the Congo? Oxfam a few people had to step down.

Africa has had 70 years to get its act together. The more we intervene the worst it gets. We often hear of U2 crying at concerts and Saint Bob Gelof crying give more money. These lads never pay tax and are all registered offshore with their families as board directors. Celebrities urging you to give to charity is like your mate demanding you give a tramp a mars bar when they have a back pack full of them and not giving any.

We are giving Charity at the cost of our own Citizens, 20% of graduates are emigrating. It is also important that we differenciate between Ireland Ltd and Irish citizens. Ireland Ltd is going great with massive GDP returns and booming Tech and Pharma. Irish Citizens….. not so much, birth rates are down, home ownership down, drug abuse up ……. you see the picture?

I am not necessarily saying we should pull our weight or that we should feel responsible for anything. Both considerations are irrelevant. Regardless of what we should or should not do, or what we should and should not feel responsible for, the simple fact is that people move from place to place all the time whether for the betterment of their lives or survival. Addressing this reality becomes the challenge of the countries where those people end up. Those countries will seek to offload some of that challenge elsewhere and, where they can, they will happily see those people move on to places like Ireland. They will also have very little incentive to take those people back from us, because it is essentially an acceptance that we take on none of the problem and they take on all of it.

There is essentially no team that Ireland could ever muster that could go out and influence the European Union and the other powers of the world to basically accept a re-writing of international treaties that relieves Ireland from any need to assist with dealing with the international refugee population — while other countries that receive influxes of IPAs are left to handle it alone while Ireland continues to reap the benefits of its international economic partnerships with these countries. Why would they ever accept that and how Ireland ever force them to accept that?

It might not, but it takes more than a No to convince other countries of the merits of them handling global problems on their own while we continue to leverage the benefits of our economic, diplomatic and general international relations partnerships with them. This will be the case until (somehow) a way is found to make places like Europe entirely inaccessible to IPAs or irregular migrants - a feat which would take some doing and probably affect the ways in which all of us are able to travel.

I agree and have never conflated planned immigration via work permits with lads chancing their arm because they know the be nice Irish will give them the cead mile failte no questions asked, take years to so called process them and even when they are found to be bogus asylum seekers the chances of them being deported is minuscule.

It’s the be nice people who constantly deflect any request to discuss the matter with what about the health services. Completely disingenuous twaddle. They’ve no interest in discussing the issues and while the odd lad might in a moment of weakness admit asylum based immigration shouldn’t be ‘limitless’, they will immediately revert to…wealthy country, Irish travelled the world, racism, bigotry and whatever else you’re having from the latest iteration of the open door asylum bulshit bingo card