Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

I can actually listen to Coleman when he does The Tonight Show but christ almighty when he is on Newstalk with Ciara Kelly the two of them are insufferable.

Sorry I'm not informed enough to be able to put an actual number on it. I'd be spoofing if I did just throw one out there.

There has been some good points raised regarding processes, tracing and the one above re. UNHCR camps.

As I said above I'm more than happy that some of my tax is going towards providing sanctuary for people who are seeking sanctuary. I would be ashamed if as a country we sat by and shrugged our shoulders as people who spoke out against the vile practices detailed on this thread were fleeing torture and we refused to help.

There's a bigger picture to look at. The world's population is growing at an unsustainable rate with regards to food, clean water and energy (electricity) demands and it is naive to think we can just shut up shop here and exist in our Irish bubble.

A total block on immigration will lead to more and more illegality with regards to entrants into Ireland.

Doesn't the population vote for them?

But let's take these in turn.

1. Stop all asylum seeking. It's not necessarily just a question of whether any Irish government would have the backbone to do it, it's a question of there needing to be a co-ordinated global effort to end asylum seeking — which itself would require significant re-writing or tearing up of treaties. That's because it's difficult to envisage how Ireland would entirely unilaterally reject all asylum seeking in any manner that would be acceptable to other countries (including our political and economic allies) and we would require their willingness to co-operate with us on that — otherwise they aren't going to do anything to prevent the transit of asylum seekers to Ireland because they will take the view that they should not bear the burden alone.
2. Decline all applications for single males. The problem with this is the same as Point 1 above — you are effectively unilaterally refusing to accept any asylum seekers in circumstances where males make up the majority of the IPA population for several reasons, including the fact that they are often seen as a priority to kill in warzones or conflicts plus the fact that men often travel ahead of their families to find safe passage. You face the same issues as Point 1 because rejecting all male applications means disregarding whether the claim is genuine or not, in which case you are simply redirecting those people to other countries in Europe (including the UK) and we would rely on those other countries to accommodate our position that they should take male asylum seekers and we shouldn't take any.
3. Offer female asylum seekers access to work and allow male family members to join later. Even if your policy got as far as this, the issue is that you are making Ireland not all that unattractive as a destination. You're basically saying, come here find some work and simply abide by the law (which most of them absolutely will do when given the chance) then your male family members can join. In reality, how that would look even in an ideal world where the males simply didn't show up at the same time as the other family members (if they do — what happens then?) is that the males will seek asylum elsewhere in Europe then happily avail of Ireland's willingness to accept them after 2 years of their female family members being there.

The only reason they should wish to be silent is they don’t want to be embarrassed at how easy it is for people ‘without ID’ to enter this country and fcuk off around the country without any restriction imposed on them. Apparently, it far right ideology to plead that a process be implemented to stop this carry on by properly vetting such individuals before they are unleashed on the Irish population All people are asking is such a system is put in place to ensure to the extent possible that Irish resident are not put at unnecessary risk in their own country. Yet the default response from the self righteous is deflect screeching about far right, racism, bigotry and what about all the bad paddies. Sickening tbh

Matt Cooper, the political class and all their ilk are insulated from the effects of this mass migration into the country, of course our door should be open to accept a certain amount of people that are genuine, but the insulated have gone too far……..I think the horse has bolted and things will get a lot worse, there is no comeback from what has been forced upon the Irish public…

Kabul is 6000km away. Not our problem.

There's only 2 ways he could do it. Hollyhead-Dublin after being into the UK or more likely ferry from France into Roslare and onwards. Airport security would be much too tight for him to have flown

I said this in an earlier post. I'm working in a very successful company for nearly 30 years that has been around a very long time. Nearly my whole department jobs are being out sourced to India, 50 plus jobs. I will be made redundant in the coming months. Yes it's not the Indian people who are replacing us fault, but i think it's very concerning about the future of this country. Its very worrying for me regarding my children.

And with AI accelerating exponentially and likely to dramatically shrink the number of jobs available, even for graduates, what the hell are tens of thousands of 'doctors and engineers' going to be contributing to Ireland??

But that is actually happening too.

Look at the visa stats from India and then drive around some Dublin corporate locations.

Irish workers are being laid off so that Indian workers can emigrate to Ireland to take those jobs???

Are you sure?

I've no doubt that there are plenty of Indians in this country working in IT but that's not what was claimed.

Yes, but we can either just keep repeating this point over and over again forevermore or we can ask ourselves the harder question of how we actually achieve effective vetting and what is to be done when vetting is impossible either due to origin countries not having the records, poor or unreliable cooperation from the origin country, or the fact that the individual simply doesn't have much of a trace on any database or social media platform that enables you to get any real sense of them from a vetting perspective. The fact is that many of those coming as IPAs are coming from poorer countries where institutions may not necessarily be as strong in their record-keeping ability or indeed there are problems in those countries such as conflict or poverty which create a hierarchy of issues that outweigh keeping tabs on their citizenry to make life easier for immigration officers in Dublin.

If effective vetting is impossible, highly difficult, or the information doesn't even exist to vet in the first place then you are still faced with the fact that there is a human being sitting there and you now have to handle that reality in some way. Many seem to content themselves with the fantasy that we can just put them back on the plane, usually to another European country where they might have arrived on the continent, and this will just be happily accepted by the authorities there. It just doesn't work that way, and it certainly won't work that way if you are deporting large numbers.

Sounds like we are all getting replaced by AI.

Another Indian.