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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Where did I mention skin colour? Nowhere.

    There is evidence from Jihadi terrorist attacks in the west that warning signs were missed or not acted upon, including social media tracks. And I think it is better to be safe than sorry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    if you want to know how the failing fourth estate of the msm are just gaslighting the public who have legitimate concerns about the direction this country is going take a listen to today’s path to power podcast.

    Cooper,Coleman and lise hand.Shane Coleman in particular once again is afraid of seeing our flag flying.the first 20 minutes are just jaw dropping.and the usual tropes of how would our health system work etc is rolled out.

    We are just all racist and the worst country in the world in asking anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    I hate to be childish about this, but you did walk into it.

    Back at you regarding a lot of what you come out with. Goes both ways, you know, and if you're going to give it, then be prepared to take it.

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I never said you did .

    How would you think that would work in reality then ? that would be required if you were to track any and every person for jihadiism / potential Islamist terrorism .

    There is a reason why in democratic countries these SM posts are not found until after the event .

    Or do you espouse tracking everybody ?

    I know this happens in Russia , China and to an extent the US , but let's be safe /s



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I support including it in background checks for applying for work permits, student visas, and I think also for anyone working with children, given the dangers of radicalisation in schools and other settings, and to protect them from terrorist attacks. The UK has something called the Prevent programme to tackle radicalisation the schools.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Garda vetting is there already for working with children and vulnerable people .

    The Prevent programme did not prevent ,no pun intended , the Southport killings nor does it regularly prevent far right radicalization of youths either .

    It relies on referrals for school age children and has not prevented many attacks that arise from radicalized young adults as a result.

    What you are talking about is referrals ( from who ?) of adult asylum seekers / migrants ( all of 'them foreigners ') .And yet you are not talking about racial profiling ? I don't know specifically who you would be targeting then which has been one of the criticisms of that particular programme

    So would you refer all those youths that get involved with far right groups on Telegram etc also or is it just people of a certain race , creed or colour ?



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I would include Garda monitoring of White Supremacists especially given attacks like Charlottesville in the US. Both White Supremacists and Jihadists have increasingly resorted to using vehicles as weapons. The truck attack on the German Christmas markets in recent years is another example.

    I think Christian Right hate preachers should also be denied Visas. I opposed one who was due to speak in Waterford a few years ago and the hotel cancelled him.

    The reason I'm bringing it up in the context of migration is the lack of a pre existing paper trail, unlike Irish nationals. Its actually a pro equality position to bring into line what we know about both Irish and non Irish coming here.

    Separately from Jihadism there is the issue of criminal insanity. The stabbing at the Dublin school has been linked to mental illness, as have some of the attacks in Germany in recent years. A background check should include psychiatric history. That might prevent more tragedies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    It's not really Equality though.

    The man on the street may have a passport but has everybody in Ireland had checks on their entire history including social media .

    Many do not, and are taken aback when asked in detail, for example , about employment history or bank statements when applying for grants or benefits .

    9 out of 10 people investigated by Prevent are cleared as not radicalized. That's a terrible indictment that those 90% people were regarded as suspicious . For what reason ,it must be asked ? Great that 1 in 10 might be eligible for the Programmer whatever that means .

    The idea was in good faith but it has not succeeded.

    There has to be a better way .

    I am not saying that vetting / processing should not be more thorough and should look at sm but this programme has become a bit of a monster in the UK. Some people claim it has pushed them to become more radical used and has led to distrust of government bodies and teachers, lecturers , doctors , public servants etc being targeted by extremist groups . People that vulnerable people should be able to trust .

    This is work that should be done by those processing asylum seekers and checks when people come into contact with social welfare and the law maybe .

    But to target certain people without a legal basis for doing so is a bit too far .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,543 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I hardly ever listen to Irish radio but caught 10 minutes of a discussion on Thursday on Newstalk. The woman presenter, no idea who, was talking to some guy from Belfast who was suggesting there needed to be a mature conversation about levels of migration and where migrants were being located (generally in disadvantaged areas).

    Everything he said sounded completely sensible and worthy of discussion but the presenter adopted this tone, almost as if she was disgusted at having to talk to this racist. Everything was dripping in disdain. She even mentioned all the worthy jobs migrants do like in the health service, even though nobody had said anything against legal migrants coming in to work.

    it was bizarre. I was wondering if this was how anyone asking reasonable questions was going to be treated by the media then we really are fcuked as a country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Are you actually claiming that every man from Afghanistan is a scumbag? Or have I misinterpreted that?

    What about women? In your ideal world would you confine all women to Afghanistan as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭jackboy


    That guest was excellent. Detailed how shallow it is to write off the Belfast riots as racist. Sounds like a community on the edge and a variety of sparks can cause things to kick off.

    Made it clear there is more and worse to come but the presenters did not want to discuss, they just wanted to continue with the 5 minutes of hate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Perhaps

    I appreciate that but economic growth is irrelevant if someone's life is so unbearable that they need to emigrate.

    Some areas of those countries most definitely are "basket cases"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I'd love to know who pays these weak men to hold those opinions?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I never mentioned women.

    I never said anything about confining them.

    As for the men it's too risky letting them into Europe.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit: I think that infrastructural spending should be required to at least match population growth. I think that would help our leaders budget adequately for it, or take measures to avoid a deficit in infrastructural provision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Can you actually work out maths? 2+2 even.

    Where exactly do you think millions of people from Afghanistan will fit in Ireland.

    Yes most Afghanistan men are vile and not wanted here.

    Nobody stopping you to move there if you want to live among them.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    There was a protest in Kilkenny that the local authority there was allocating 70% of housing to Depaul for IPAS applicants . This could be where the 70% came from .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Funny how much white young fellas are prejudged and maligned as being toxic but men from one of the most culturally degenerate societies on the planet get a free pass. A society which sees the subjugation of all women and girls, where all girls are banned from all levels of education above primary, where women get stoned and flogged for being raped, where children are married off to old men...

    Sure yeah, I'll admit it's not ALL Afghani men but it's quite clearly the vast majority of them.

    Make it all make sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Care to post a link to prove misinformation or is it another I dont like it so its misinformation .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭creedp


    The point is that is how the media has been treating anyone who try’s the discuss the topic in a reasonable manner for some years now. It’s not just the official media, just look at the pile on by the few alter boys, hear no evil, see no evil, accept no evil poster in this thread. No matter what concern is raised, it’s immediately rubbished and we have to listen to but, but what about the bad Paddies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    So in your ideal world you would stop every single one of the 22 million Afghanistanian male population from ever entering Europe? (But the women can?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,447 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Seems fair considering how woman are treated there.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    "most Afghanistan men are vile"

    What a disgusting racist and ignorant remark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Choochtown


    Would you then conclude that the vast majority of Irish men were degenerate in the 1960s? Everybody knew what was going on in the Magdalene laundries and yet it was normalised within our society.

    Question for you:

    Would you welcome an Afghanistanian man into Ireland who was fleeing persecution because he actively fought against those vile practices in his native country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Yup call me what you want but I don't suffer for rapists monsters.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭Perfidious Cretin


    Afghanistan is not our problem. The men and women of Afghanistan are not our problem. The rest of the world is not our problem, I don't understand why people like you want to make them our issue when we can't even look after our own citizens.

    Is it virtue signalling? White guilt?

    Or more likely you don't care and all of this is performative nonsense..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    If American tourists (who outnumber the entirety of the IP population by a massive margin), were in the news as regularly as IP men from Muslim majority countries for rape, murder, stabbings, etc. you better believe we'd be having national conversations about withholding tourist visas while we figure out what's going on.

    How would those conversations go? I don't know, but anyone who tried the not all Americans angle while never addressing the obvious incidents that started the conversation would be out of the conversation on their ass.

    This would not be discriminating against Americans, this would be reacting to data.



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