Is Irelands neutrality stance in WW2 unfairly criticized? (see Mod note 217)

Hempel would have known about the the extermination of millions of Jews and other "undesirables" in Extermination camps, and the many millions of civilians in Nazi slave labour Concentration camps, in the early forties, so did he tell Dev or not?

Why would'nt Dev have asked, given he and his government knew about Irish Seamen held in Nazi slave labour concentrations camps years before the war ended and their eventual liberation by the British army?

@Cyclingtourist That point about the run-up to WW2 and the 1937 Constitution is an important one that is often overlooked in its effect on neutrality. The Spanish Civil War concentrated a lot of minds on the dangers of a more modern war complete with bomber attacks on civilians that was not like the slow moving trench warfare of WW1. Seeing what happened in Spain may well have been a factor that drove some of the Irish policy on neutrality.

It is YOU who needs to research properly.

Not only were Nazi spies "usually built into the diplomatic staff accredited to a neutral government, their leaders being camouflaged as honorary consuls or other functionaries ( according to a 1946 U.S. Army report on German intelligence during the war.), but it was found that German Diplomats in neutral countries invaded by the Nazis ( eg Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark) played a key management role in the rounding up of civilians for slave labour and extermination camps. They were not the "boots on the ground" : they were much higher up in the Nazi management of the occupied country than that.

We were just lucky that we were sheltered by Britain during the war, and that Britain did not lose in the Battle of Britain. Because in the event of a German victory in Ireland, many Irish people would have joined the 50 captured Irish seamen in slave labour Nazi concentration camps.

What would people have thought of Dev & co then, and their "neutrality" stance? Pathetic.

So now you escalate the accusation - again with zero proof.

A completely flawed and disingenuous argument from the get go. Every badly or under researched accusation and claim down in flames.

stop talking to yourself, about yourself.

Wrong. Again you did not read my post correctly. I wrote "We were just lucky that we were sheltered by Britain during the war, and that Britain did not lose in the Battle of Britain. Because in the event of a German victory in Ireland, many Irish people would have joined the 50 captured Irish seamen in slave labour Nazi concentration camps."

Geographically we were sheltered by Britain. Other neutral countries such as Netherlands or Denmark were not so lucky. The Germans were able to over-run those, send their people to extermination and slave labour camps etc. Geographically any German planes that came near us, for example the one whose bomb damaged structurally "by huge coincidence" the Synagogue in Dublin, had to avoid the RAF on the way over and back.

for example the one whose bomb damaged structurally "by huge coincidence" the Synagogue in Dublin

And the original strident claim having been debunked, changes again.

Shamefaced fraudulent debating. 😁

A German bomb did structurally damage the Synagogue in Dublin during the war. Oh, it was an accident, according to Dev and his Nazi Party friend Hempel.

What else would you expect from those two who knew Irish seamen were dying in a slave labour Nazi concentration camp for the last few years of the war, until they were liberated by British troops pushing east?

This is the poster who was stridently claiming - until that went down in flames too - that it had been bombed deliberately when it wasn’t- it was damaged by the blast from another building that had been bombed.

You are a complete fraud.

The Synagoue was in the Jewish quarter in Dublin at the time. Some posters were claiming Dublin was not deliberately bombed, even when the weather was clear skies! Dublin had no blackout during the war, the UK cities did. Dublin is also quite distinct from the air, with Howth head, Dun Laoghaire harbour etc. But it is a coincidence when Dublin got bombed the Synagogue got hit, yeah.

When Boy George was on the Late Late recently, he asked the audience in Dublin if anyone knew a Jew or had ever met one. Silence from the audience. But the German plane circling low found the Synagogue in neutral Ireland all right.

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I think you are playing word games by calling them 'Irish Seamen'.

They were captured British mariners who were in a support role to the British Armed Forces - British POWs essentially. Their being Irish is just a detail of their background in terms of their status.

DeValera would not have been able to represent them diplomatically just because they had Irish nationality - just like the British authorities would not, then or now, step in and take responsibility for an Englishman who joined Oglaigh na hEireann and was taken hostage (e.g. in Lebanon).

It would be up to the BAF to negotiate a prisoner swap (which did happen sometimes, though very rare) or organise an escape.

Of course in your typical style you interpret this to mean that DeValera was personally indifferent to their suffering.

They were Irish and they were seamen. Some were from - born in and lived places like Co. Dublin, Co. Wexford, Cork etc - another was a Catholic from Derry. How dare you insinuate a Catholic from Derry cannot identify as Irish. You would be complaining if he could not.

Anyway, Dev and Hempel obviously cared more about Hitler than about those Irish who died in Hitler's Concentration camps. They expressed condolences for Hitler but not for the Irish who died.

It suffered structural damage. According to the Jewish people in Dublin themselves, and they should know, it was "wrecked"

You can claim it was " NOT bombed and suffered 'blast' damage." if you want. Pathetic.

Just like your defence of your fellow Republican, IRA-Nazi collaborator Sean Russell, in another thread.

It was NOT bombed, you are lying in the face of the facts.

It suffered blast damage like the CoI and other buildings in the area.

Germany did not have the capability to percision bomb a single building in a city.
You should have researched that before making up your elaborate false claim.

*Nobody will rise to your toxic childish attempts to bait about 'fellow' anybody's, . don't waste your time.