Kilkenny GAA Thread

Could Kieran's have a second team that would compete in the Colleges B competition?

whatever. The point is we are not actively seeking new, more or better sponsors we are underselling ourselves

I would think something else that people maybe forgetting re Kierans is the quality of the coaching etc. vs the quality at our underage teams. There is also the element that they probably have a second team that is battling for the jersey in training. Much like the golden Cody years where he had the choice of a second team. I think the CB should be looking at Kierans set up and comparing if they are not doing so.

Not from New Ross but I've heard some stories about what's going on down there. Its largely problems with a certain "minority", ahem, so to speak. They did have a really good minor - Robbie Kehoe - on the Wexford minor team this year but there is real problems in that town and hurling and getting people involved with their club due to said minority element.

Basically, nearly any good hurler in New Ross plays his or her hurling with Rathgarogue/Cushinstown. Might be a few going the other side of the river but I think that's the situation anyway.

I know this was a few pages ago but I'm always drawn to this thread for a gawk.

I'm not so sure as a Wexford supporter. We are doing a lot right re development but our S&C at underage is still playing (albeit playing) massive catch-up. We're seriously lacking work in the schools, teachers seem to be lazy ***** most of them despite some of them relying on hurling to get them their jobs in the first place.

We've got the best of facilities in nearly every club and the COE is a fine setup but its a results game and that is where we are lacking. We are improving but the result v Galway at U20 this year was sobering and they beat us in the Leinster semi without their main man. There will be hurlers from that team and the minors e.g. Sean O'Brien, Cormac Doyle, Jamie Downey etc who will hopefully be good seniors but I still think we're going backwards before we go forwards.

Hurling is still an institution in Kilkenny which I think will serve you well in the long term. Still not sure its the same in Wexford to be honest.

Long story short, I wouldn't be copying what we are doing unfortunately.

Tbf, only two teams in Leinster even got close to Galway for 60 minutes and that was KK in the group stages and Wexford in the SF, only game Niland played in Leinster was Wexford in the very first game and don’t think Rabbitte played a full game until the AI Final, think it says more about Leinster than it does about Wexford if anything given how Galway got on against Clare

Some very skilful players in that Galway forward line even when you take out Rabbitte and Niland but I think they can be bullied, they didn’t do much in open play against Wexford in the LSF because the Wexford backs dogged them and the Clare backs dogged them too, big difference was that Clare then had the forwards to do real damage up front

Don’t know what happened to KK in the U20 Leinster Final, would’ve thought they’d have had the backs to dog the Galway forwards

Again, not speaking from a KK perspective but surely the argument about Kieran’s is that if you compare the situation where lads go to school where they’re from compared to lads all across KK going to Kieran’s (And Kilkenny CBS to an extent), Kieran’s would be a bit weaker in the second scenario but they’d still be a strong team but more importantly, the likes of Johnstown, Callan, and Castlecomer would be stronger and instead of having 3 teams competing in Senior A (With 2 having a realistic chance of winning), KK would have 4 teams in Senior A (With maybe 3 having a realistic chance of winning)

That’s my read of things anyway, I know they’re bringing back Wexford combined colleges next year so there should be them plus three Wexford schools in Senior A, that’d be about 50-55 Wexford lads starting Senior A once you consider Good Counsel would have 5-10 KK players, look at KK atm and there are about 45 players starting Senior A (KK lads starting in Good Counsel but Laois lads starting in Johnstown, might be mistaken there), would KK not be better off with more lads exposed to Senior A?

Btw, this isn’t suggesting lads are wrong for wanting to go to Kieran’s, wouldn’t blame them on that front, just think from an outsider’s perspective is that all the eggs are in the Kieran’s and Kilkenny CBS baskets and if you’re a lad from another school atm, the odds are stacked against you, narrows KK’s playing pool that way

Yeah this is it here.

https://wexfordgaa.ie/strategic-plan-2026-2030/

Journalist Martin Breheny in the Irish Independent yesterday listed his suggestions to the Hurling Advisory Committee.

1 Implement the rule where a handpass has to be with a definitive striking motion (Note. Contrary to what Donal Og Cusack thinks, seeing a 10mm gap between ball and hand on a slow motion replay does not make a handpass legitimate if there isn't a definite striking motion

2 Implement the steps rule

3 Have 2 referees for senior inter county matches

4 Hurls - he calls it a hurley- should be checked to see that the bas size is not greater than 130mm. Ball should be heavier to reduce the distance it travels

5 A goal should be worth 4 or 5 points

6 A 65 should be taken from midfield

7 A puckout should cross the 65m line

8 No passing back to a goalkeeper is allowed

9 Lower ranked teams should have more of a say

I would agree on all of these points. I think also 2 consecutive handpasses should not be allowed. I think 4 points for a goal is appropriate. A second ref would also cut down on off the ball incidents and allow a ref to be closer to the play.

I think the most skilful counties, such as Limerick, would have most to gain from these proposed changes. It would also not solve the issues that Kilkenny currently has.

I have completed the online template of the Hurling Advisory Committee and would encourage others to do the same

** I am not sure what the remedy to too many rucks is

I've heard the same alright yeah. A real pity because New Ross could be really strong with the population in the town. Just doesn't seem to be the interest that's in rural areas. Any good hurler they had like eanna Martin and Shane roche went to other clubs for a while.

Ive seen some posters compare Kilkenny hurling to Man United. I would compare us more to Brazil, once a great nation that produced players and teams with flare and exceptional skill. They are struggling to produce those players and might never get those players again(players like Zico, Pele, Romario, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Kaka). Kilkenny are in the same boat.

thanks anyway

I’d go further than just north and south. I’d split into eight regions in a mini championship. And maybe a north and south selected after that with the best talented players put forward. On the minor selectors they have plenty of time to view the championship and not be dependent on development squads to pick a team for them.

Are those on the under 14 panel allowed to play with their respective clubs in the league?

On some of his suggestions:

1. There is nothing wrong with hand passing what is wrong is that ref's aren't reffing the rule. I would advise that they actually just ref the current rule properly and blow everything that isn't a clear and obvious hand pass. If ref's are actually reffing the rule players will have no choice but to start ligitimately hand passing the ball.
2. Steps - The way modern has gone with the bunching and crowding in the middle of the pitch and the physicality and fittness levels I don't think 3 steps is enough, I'd give them 5 steps but again officiate this to the letter of the law and anything over 5 steps would be a free.
3. I wouldn't be opposed to having 2 ref's but I would wonder how workable it would be.
4. Hurls - Again wouldn't be to worried about this, I think the weight of the sliother would probably be a bigger issue.
5. Probably not a bad idea to encourage more goals.
6. Again, probably not a bad idea.
7. I'd be opposed to a puck out having to cross the 65m line, I think point 8 would clear this up.
8. I'd be all for this, it would encourage teams to push up and not give up easy puck outs to corner backs.
9. Not sure what he means by this, sounds like he's just trying to pan out his suggestions.

I think a lot of the problems at the minute aren't because of the rules that are or aren't in the rule book, the main problem is that ref's are ignoring certain rules. Look at James Owens at the weekend, he was damned no matter what he did, people criticising him for giving loads of frees but from what I could see in the game the only bad decision he made was not giving Limerick a penalty in the first half. Coaches now are always trying to get an advantage and are trying to take advantage of the rules ref's are reluctant to police. When ref's do start to police these rules managers, fans, pundits are moaning about the ref ruining the game and not letting the game flow, that's not the refs job, the ref's job is to officiate the rules it's up to players/managers/coaches to decide the spectacle. That's probably a long rant at saying way too much is being expected of ref's and most of the problems we have are with coaches trying to control the game as much as possible, which in my oinion is taking a lot f the freedom and off the cuff creativity out of the game, I can understand why coaches are doing it but I don't think it's to the betterment of the game.