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So "X" - nothing to see here. Elon's in control - Part XXX

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    I don't disagree with a lot of that. There is certainly a positive side to regulation in the EU. The whole common market which was largely a creation of the Brits until they pissed it away with Brexit, is about harmonised regulations and laws. All that boring but important stuff which Trump is doing his best to destroy as well.

    Regarding X, it's certainly the wild west. The posts mentioned above relating to the Henry Nowak case have surely crossed the line legally, but ironically, because of the recent overreach by the police pursuing perfectly legal (if still hateful) speech from the likes of Graham Linehan, the people inciting violence against the police may well get away with it. Which is not to condone the appalling actions of the police in that case either.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,967 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's the thing the Brexiteers still don't get, if you want international trade without undue friction you need agreed standards, you need a means of adjudicating disputes (a supra-national court) and you need a means of enforcing penalties for breaching the agreed rules.

    Their refusal to submit to any 'foreign authority' e.g. European Court of Justice means they'll ultimately end up trading only with themselves.

    I don't like the phrase "common market" though, a 1970s British invention intended to make the idea of doing business with Johnny Foreigner more palatable, but the EEC / EC / EU never made a secret of the commitment of member states to "ever closer union" which has been in the Treaty of Rome since day 1. It's not all just about trade and never has been.

    It's the single market which ironically was largely a creation of the UK. Even Thatcher could see that flag-waving was a poor substitute for making it easier to do business.

    Another country we perceive as allergic to regulation, the US, wasn't always like that. They broke up the huge trusts like Standard Oil in the early 20th century. They brought in federal vehicle safety and emissions standards well before Europe did. They created an Environmental Protection Agency long before we or most other European countries did. Of course since Reagan let the religious right take over the country, all of the above has at best been rendered inefffective.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    Not really sure what your point is. Would you be happier if the colours were reversed? I imagine the equivalent graph for Bsky is all blue.

    From the quoted post:

    "Your participation is not going to change this graph"

    That really is the point isn't it? Turn it into a left-leaning site as opposed to a right leaning one. Failing that, just do what you can to get all lefties off it.

    By the way, I haven't seen a post from Elon Musk on X since I muted him a few weeks ago. So, you can ignore him if you want to.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That won't belong overruled. He removed the mute option for his account several times before. It's more than likely a bug introduced by his xAI code than an actual feature that you assume works.

    Mute musk isn't a thing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It does illustrate that they're very much so promoting far right accounts that are prone to disinformation. Libs of TikTok for example has resulted in the likes of libraries facing bomb threats. Personalized targeting of individuals that's resulted in death threats too. Far more extreme than tracking Elon's jet. It says nothing positive about the platform where it's one of the more popular accounts on the platform.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/libs-tik-tok-bomb-threats-oklahoma-library-committee-rcna135369

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-teacher-texas-resigns-targeted-conservatives-online-rcna199156

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    LOL. Says the guy who hasn't used X in how long and is doing his best to get all normies off it.

    Me to google: can you mute elon musk on twitter

    Google: Yes, you can easily mute Elon Musk on X (formerly Twitter) to remove his posts from your personal timeline. To do this, simply visit his X Profile, tap the three dots (ellipses) next to his name, and select "Mute" from the drop-down menu.

    You haven't a clue!

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Oh I do.

    You sir don't have the clue.

    It's his site. He does what he wants, not what you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also Laura Loomer high up on the list. Basically it's a who's who of conspiracy theorists and lunatics. 🤣 Also in no normal scenario is James Woods one of the most popular users on a social media platform.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,960 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    ^

    Jesus. How embarrassing.

    But people better get used to this type of propaganda, because this is the future. And the more sophisticated AI imagery gets, the harder it'll be to convince fools that it isn't real.

    The biggest shame is just how far James Woods has fallen. An actor I used to admire. 😔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I just assume that everything conservatives say is in bad faith. I'm very rarely proven wrong.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It could be argued that they never actually have anything positive to say or add. They thrive in the negative no solutions or answers zone. Almost existing to make everything so much more abysmally worse.

    Self centered and self interested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It certainly could and they do thrive in times of misery, this is true. In the UK, many of them actively encouraged something harmful to their own people. In other times, this could be considered treason. If they were dishonest before, adding the power of AI to them is just going to make them much worse.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    A lot of this partisan stuff is designed for people to want it to be true. We are at the stage where a picture with text is taken at face value as evidence, and not as just a claim. What a time to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    AI slop is a real problem. The reader context on that post shows the added context really works 😎

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    It does illustrate that they're very much so promoting far right accounts that are prone to disinformation. Libs of TikTok for example has resulted in the likes of libraries facing bomb threats.

    The funny thing about that is that Libs of TikTok (Chaya Raichik) gained fame and notoriety not for posting disinformation, but for doing nothing more than reposting the content posted by other (crazy liberal) people. Check the wikipedia article about her if you don't believe me.

    On the assertion that she caused libraries to face bomb threats, well that's exactly the same thing as Trump's claim that the "fake news" (as he sees it) caused the assassination attempts against him. Yes, you may be able to draw a causal link between the words of one person and the actions of a demented person who heard them. But, I'm sure you wouldn't argue that criticism of Donald Trump should be curtailed because some lunatic took a pot shot at him because he was offended by such criticism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libs_of_TikTok

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    From the Wikipedia link "The accounts promote transphobia and other anti-LGBTQ rhetoric, such as claims that transgender people are mentally ill and pretend to be of the gender they identify themselves as. Libs of TikTok also spreads false claims, especially relating to the medical care of transgender children"... So made up ****... It also backs up the associated bomb threats etc. It's an extremist accounts that eggs on other extremists.

    So it's good to see you're agreeing with me that the account is a far right extremist account.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    That doesn't contradict what I said. Sure some people say she promotes transphobia and anti LGBTQ rhetoric (and maybe she does). But, the question is if views like hers form part of "the town square"? On that part of the internet, yeah they do. It's the place where people aren't protected from opinions they find offensive … Yeah, of course people in Turkey and some other countries are censored, but that doesn't affect discourse here in Ireland.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Elon removes pictures of himself using is AI scanner all the time.

    Elon also bans accounts all the time, including journalists ones. Sure you were given an example of a ban on here.

    You're making stuff up when you say the site doesn't protect people from other opinions. It most definitely does it shuts down opinions it's owner doesn't like and amplifies ones he does.

    Its a lie to claim that the scales aren't tipped and equally that he doesn't remove or censor content.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yes it does contradict it. Here's a sample of a story that was manufactured resulting in staff being threatened. There's a pretty direct connection with multiple bomb threats, harassment, forcing people to resign simply for being trans. You can pretend it's not anti LGBT but it's pretty indisputable. It's propaganda reads like Nazi propaganda back in the day. But justify away. It does show what kind of accounts you do like to follow though...

    https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/08/17/boston-childrens-hospital-doctors-facing-violent-threats-after-far-right-groups-spread-misinformation/

    For hysterectomies and other genital surgeries performed as part of gender-affirming care, Boston Children’s requires a patient to be capable of consenting for themselves. Boston Children’s does not perform genital surgeries as part of gender-affirming care on a patient under the age of 18, according to the hospital.

    Libsoftiktok claimed they were being done on minors. So a lie about people who are caring for children and placed their lives at risk. Now you'll pretend there was no causal link but everyone knows that's bull ****. X is pretty clear with promoting some kinds of terrorism in the town square, as demonstrated this week too TBH.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,048 ✭✭✭plodder


    You claimed that you can't mute Elon Musk and I proved you wrong. I'm not going to call you a liar but you're not credible. I think you (along with a lot of other people) have drunk the kool-aid, and jumped on the Musk hate band wagon, because you don't like his political views, and you don't like the fact that right wing views are widely disseminated on X (as post 12844 shows). This campaign to get people and organisations to leave the site is only going to polarise society even further.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Organisations are choosing of their own accord to leave generally.. Leaving x ain't causing any of the polarisation in spite of your worship of the platform. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Musk hate band wagon ?

    There's a bang wagon?

    I've my own personal reasons for thinking the man is an international fraud, scam artist , thief, manipulator, evil, self absorbed, egotistical, fool and an extreme racist .

    But he also thinks he can meddle in Irish politics (and no not just this week) .

    He fck all the way off and when that gimp Trump is gone I hope he gets everything coming to him on merit he should be up on treason charges in the US.

    But you probably think he's golden because he got rich



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,849 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Twitter is not "society". People or organisations not posting on Twitter will have no discernable effect or polarisation of society.

    Dingbats on Twitter will still be dingbats when they're screaming into the voids of an empty Twitter, and no person, organisation or group should be in any way compelled to use Musk's sh*te-machine in the interests of "society". It's a website. There are plenty others, and we'd all survive without Twitter if it shut down tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,673 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Is this like when the free man of the world tried to sue companies for not advertising on his racial Nazi proliferation engine.

    Sure he's so open an free if you don't want to be there he will try get you in court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You complain about society being polarised while slavishly praising a man and his website who are playing key roles in doing exactly that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Hey, we're in a better society when a user on a website makes up false claims about hospitals, schools, libraries or individuals. @plodder appears to think that's some form of journalism and consequences be damned. He's already been faced with one that was complete nonsense but apparently doesn't mind.



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