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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Sorry was this on the manifesto ? Maybe you talked to FG FF on the door about them approving a feature control on your car at the doorstep ? Must have missed that one last election time out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Interesting article related to rev predictions.

    Tesla Robotaxi Expansion And Global Sales Rebound Test Long Term Thesis https://share.google/U8vDs0QCZbuJAYkXy

    Seems to have a free cash flow drop next year. Which isn't really clear why. But despite that predicts revenue growth.

    Key callouts being robotaxi. Ties into previous discussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,072 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    We heard last month that the DoT would be the decision making authority in this country to approve or long-finger Tesla's application for a licence to start enabling FSD-S in Ireland.

    Makes sense that a query on the topic could and would be directed to the relevant minister's constituency office, as Unkel says, just making sure it doesn't get shoved to the back of a list of items that may or may not be important to someone somewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    You didn't say cars though. You said "stuff" and specifically referred to "safety", which the FSD product ultimately falls under, right?

    Here's a snippet of your post for reference.

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    Has Ireland fallen behind?

    Yes, we are behind the countries in the EU that have already approved it and i'm not aware of any imminent announcement that it is to be approved soon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Thats harsh …it has only been April 10th when 1st approval by Netherlands….5 European countries have authorised (out of 27 EU countries). I get that on this forum there will be many enthusiasts who would like to see it approved but I would also believe that within the general public there would be an understandable caution and just because the Government has not been 1st past the post is not the same as saying "falling behind" I would also share the view that it should be left to the Regulator/Minister to determine when without being distracted by emails….just my view . Personally I would love to try it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    That infers they've advanced.

    Something which is not yet clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Ministers don't read their emails. Their staff do all that for them. It's worth giving them a poke though, as if enough emails get sent in, the subject gets raised.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I think il email the minister for communications or finance not sure which. Id like Samsung wallet activated on my Samsung phone , but it doesn't operate in Ireland. We're well behind the curve of advanced nations with this feature.

    Im bulling about this for last few years. Nightmare ! It'd be so handy for me .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Or something you disagree with?

    What is clear is that it wouldn't have been approved if it was considered to be less safe and as it is a drivers aid, I think most people would agree that its safer having and using the product than not. Of course, you may disagree.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Of course I may.

    It was however tested in Netherlands,not in ireland entirely different location and side of road. So I think il stick with my reservations of your determination of advanced.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Well, i've never even heard of Samsung wallet, but people email ministers about pot holes and all sorts. I think pushing for something will make driving safer is a good thing. You disagreeing with whether its safer or not is irrelevant.

    I support your right to email the minister about your Samsung wallet. Let me know how you get on. Nightmares are scary.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭JOL1


    Its unnecessary interference, if everybody adopted such approach ..those in favour and those against ..it just adds noise and regardless of whether it is the Minisiter or their staff who has to deal with and answer it is wasting their time (particularly given the tiemscale…it is early days).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    As the car has cameras on both sides of the road and manages to stay on the correct side of the road whether I am in Ireland, or mainland Europe, I think it can tell the difference with FSD being a superior product to the AP or EAP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'd expect you to call me a time wasting idiot tbh. And I'd expect you'd do just that if you weren't interested in fsd at all .

    Why ? Because it's not their remit to be doing this. He's already said publicly who's looking into it, yet that for you and the other lad isn't good enough and you want to stick your oar in. That's mad stuff on any measure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,079 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    That's why I said i.e.

    Or perhaps you don't understand what that means...

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Most of the time, there is no answer from ministers or their staff to emails sent. If there is, it's generic trash.

    Is protest also unnecessary interference? Sending an email is just communicating what a person wants, same as a protest and much less disruptive and time consuming.

    Sure, once the politicians are elected, they can do as they please. Without feedback, how are they to know what the people want? In my experience, they really only open their ears when the ballots are around the corner.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You're so infinitely unaware of prioritisation and decision making related to video image processing I don't know where to start.

    I can categorically guarantee that if you sat with me in my day job and I walked you through how AI analysis processing works within segments of images and gets it both wrong on a negative scale and right on the positive scoring scale you wouldn't be making such basic mistaken assessments about road position.

    There is so so so much more to this than your understanding even touches on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Hold on there Lad! I haven't sent any emails, so don't be putting words in my mouth.

    And the minister has powers to move things along, so why pretend that its out of his hands?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Entirely my bad. I thought you were encouraging that as an idea it was Unkel. Many apologies for my confusion on that.

    No the minsters time shouldn't be spend pushing people's random technology requests through. I don't think that's fair or accurate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Buddy. I don't need to sit down and watch you do you your image processing to know that it doesn't take a lot for the vehicle to navigate left, or right side. I've driven here in Ireland and in mainland Europe with HW3 and the vehicle (M3 at the time) performed just as well on both sides of the road. You can leave the condescension out of your comments. It doesn't promote cordial conversation and this is usually when you start confusing who said what. Take a breath.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Not the first time you've responded to me for what @unkel said, thinking it was me. Like I said. Take a breath.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Not trying to be condescending. But you don't understand the dynamics of image processing at all.

    I work in this space we operate between hardware manufacturers and end of line processing and delivery to user. We have scenarios specifically with US where the AI analysis of video footage fails because some of their vehicles (large commerical industrial machines) have the driver sitting dead in the center of the vehicle and camera the same. Not left or right like traditional equipment in the same industries.

    The level of complexity in this space is above your current knowledge set. That's not being condescending I'm trying to explain in some context why. And I hope that example shows how.

    We have to rewrite firmware and remodel the entire analysis on device and off it , to solve for that scenario.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Paper released on how to improve analysis of non supervised driving versus humans. In short they've developed a model to mimic humans versus their own models in unified approach. Whether it's accurate or not who knows further testing I guess.

    Caveat waymo were involved in the inference.

    Active inference as a model of collision avoidance behavior in human drivers | Nature Communications https://share.google/JlBj7Uhwslk9Z8m2x



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Perhaps you're not trying, but you are being.

    While I don't understand in any depth the nature of image processing and the complexities within, I can extrapolate from my own industry knowledge and say that not all systems are build equally and having multiple camera feeds to work from makes the problem of driving on the left, very similar to driving on the right. Perhaps relying on a single camera causes problems that a vehicle with multiple cameras can more easily overcome. I'm not saying autonomous driviving sytems (supervised or not) is easy. I know it's extraordinarily difficult. What I am saying is that if Tesla have come this far with self driving products, then its fair to say that they have solved for driving on both sides of the road.

    In my own industry, there are machines that need to be manually taught everything. Every move, every position, every command to several points. There are other machines that use the exact same sensors and hardware, but the SW is different. You need only teach it to a single point, or two and it then knows the rest. The difference is SW that enables a robot for example to choose to interact with something on the left, or something on the right.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    They don't seem to have had to much difficulty operating FSD Supervised in Australia. With the system already operating in RHD markets, and the years of data they have from other camera based vehicle controls (Autopliot) they probably have a fairly adequate understanding of the image processing dynamics.

    You can try and tee up the problem as "oh this is so new" they've no chance of it working for RHD, but that requires you to ignore the fact they already have similar systems operating in the same domain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,573 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Every day that passes is a day lost to test and gather data. The more data on Irish roads we have the better choices we can make about how safe or unsafe it is.

    Ireland has been pioneers for lots of ideas. Smoking bans, plastic bag bans, the countries that fell behind implementing those ideas eventually got there, but at what cost?

    How many ducks died eating badly discarded plastic bags or from second hand smoke in pubs. How many more must die on the roads before we act?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Liam, no one said that.

    In fact you'll find I raised the Australian market several pages back.

    No need to make stuff up about me teeing things up. I've ignored nothing here.

    But theres a simple fact here that the technology and image processing is extremely positional and also regional.

    And I've attempted to give an entry level example of what. But I've posters with no experience in the space putting it down to cameras being grand on the left or right of the vehicle. When that simply has little to do the priority handling of positional awareness of the image frame and state..

    And the same posters are getting the likes as if what theyre saying makes and sense in the context of image analysis (it doesn't) and when you try to explain to people they call you condescending. It's a ridiculous proposition when people refuse to want to understand the dynamics and just make up their own mind of how they 'believe' it works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Actually this is condescending. Your entire last paragraph is condescending.

    It simple reads as 'your experience is nonsense' 'ive made my mind up of how this works with no insight and this is how it works it's software sure'.

    And I'm called arrogant! By posters on here. What levels of arrogance to assume something is this simple with zero real world experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭HouseEater


    Lads! First the BYD thread. Now this one. This forum is turning into a disaster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,675 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    @ghost if you want to read it do if you don't don't. This isn't meant to talk down to you . I went and grabbed my work laptop to grab links to papers we give grads and senior leadership related to the complexity involved in image processing

    1. Grads are interested in it as it's cutting edge so want entry understand
    2. Leadership because they consistently want to know what something can't be expanded quickly and done 'next week'.

    Once again I'm not directing you to do anything just trying to be helpful with understanding complex architecture and workflows.

    (PDF) A Review of Multi‐Object Tracking in Recent Times https://share.google/oPkR0hxuAQPqy3Qcf



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