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Belfast Far Right Riots 2026 [Mod Note in OP]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I think we can at this point consider the actions of the rioters to be terrorism. Businesses not opening in Belfast, buses ended up cancelled, immigrants homes have been burnt out and families have ended up going into hiding.

    Also the irony can't be lost that Loyalists have previously tortured this man in a pretty horrific fashion but now they apparently just have legitimate concerns. The family of the victim don't support this rioting and the local communities are similarly horrified by it. The riots have only served to damage the city's reputation.

    There's an actual real protest in Belfast on Saturday against the pogroms/rioting. Suspect a few posters will be pissed off by that. The ones that don't seem to mind homes being burnt out etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Your post literally began with the words "What about".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,011 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's noticeable that loyalism seems to be setting itself up as being very much right wing and anti-immigration. Sammy Wilson was on TV last night and sounded like a member of Reform UK or even Restore Britain.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What about the victims of our immigration policy? Certainly nobody is listening to them.

    Ah stop with the rhetoric and pretence of concern! 🙄

    Nobody is listening to to hundreds of thousands that can't afford homes,

    In order to build more homes, we need more tradespeople who can build them - do you not understand this? This skills shortage is actually a problem happening across the developed world.

    Anyhow, how is damaging building by burning them out helping to make housing more affordable? How is rioting (whether it is vermin in Belfast or Dublin or elsewhere) making a place more attractive for employers?

    or get a decent job with a decent wage that isn't being mercilessly suppressed by mass immigration.

    Exactly what jobs are being suppressed by mass immigration?

    Consumers want to buy at low costs. In order to achieve this, you need to reduce all input costs yet the workers want high wages. Do you understand basic economics at all?

    Nobody is listening to the victims of an immigration policy that sees them dying on trollies in numbers that dwarf those dying on the streets under the knives in violent migrants.

    Ah more bullsh1t anti-immigrant rhetoric that ignores the fact that our healthcare system which has been badly overseen for decades is now dealing with an ageing population that is largely facing more and more health issues due to modern lifestyles and ironically seeing treatments by more and more foreign workers.
    So how exactly are immigrants causing people to die on trollies?


    You can be damn sure that nobody is listening to the Irish children raped and abused by foreigners from a culture that sees them as fair game, and if you think the systemic abuse that occurred in Rotherham is not occurring here, you're kidding yourself, because clearly the only thing we have learned from the experience of the Brits is how to bury such inconvenient truths.

    Just checking, what have you posted on here about the likes of Bill Kenneally?

    All of the things happening now are a result of the people simply not being listened to.

    You might think you are not being listened to but the fact is that a lot of what you are saying is based on lies and bullsh1t spouted simply because you don't seem to like immigrants. Like it or not, the world is changing (and I'm assuming with your outlook, you possibly deny the reality of climate change) but you are likely to see a lot more people leave the developing world looking for refuge. get used to it!!!

    Perhaps you yourself could start listening to people too, rather than taking a high handed, sneering, dissmissive attitude towards the victims of our immigration lunacy, but I doubt that will happen either.

    You pretend that you have sympathy towards the victims of immigration - do you condemn the rioting as per the Ogilvy's family statement?

    Anyhow, I will gladly sneer and dismiss anyone who is clearly reluctant to discuss anything objectively when their points are laden with so much rightwing propaganda and misinformation.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    The rioting and rioters should absolutely be condemned. What they are doing is evil and dangerous. There is nothing that justifies behaviours like that.

    That is a separate issue from what checks there are regarding people being granted asylum. People wanting to debate that should not be tarred as being racist or in support of rioters as a way to shut diwn debate.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Well, hasn't he always been a keen subscriber to bigotry and division? He sounds perfect for those parties.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think he just wants the big boys to notice him. It's pathetic, honestly.

    I wish I hadn't been reminded that he exists. I got very sick of him during the Brexit years.

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    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ok so exactly what checks failed in terms of Hadi Alodid?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    It is telling that the UK govt have not convened a Cobra meeting about this considering how quick they convened one earlier this year for strife that is a magnitude less than what we have seen over the last 2 nights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I have read it, it's full of the far-right trope of blaming immigrants for failures in government policy to actually invest in public services.

    The reason why housing supply is in the gutter is because a Fine Gael-led government stopped building homes for the guts of a decade.

    The reason why our hospitals are overcrowded is because government-after-government has only invested enough to keep current capacities going.

    And then you only talk about people being abused by foreigners, and shrug your shoulders at the thought of a white man doing it. A child is most likely to be raped by someone known to them. That doesn't stick to your narrative though does it?

    So you're right on one thing. I'm not listening. Because you're only fixated on blaming immigrants for everything. You completely ignore the only people that have been rioting are white people. Sure they're only a little angry aren't they? It's all the guberments fault and it's all the brown people's fault.

    You couldn't give a flying f*ck about the 'victims of immigration policy'. So sorry if you don't think I'm not listening, it's because I've heard it all before and you're the type who only cares if immigrants do something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    Well I have no idea at present since I don't know what checks, if any, were done.

    But given the highly disturbed and barbaric attack he committed I would have been far happier if he was never allowed entry into the island of Ireland. At the very least he is someone with some form of mental disturbance, yet he was living in a residential neighbourhood, in a residence which I'm sure was providedby a state agency. That was obviously a disastrous decision.

    Sudan is not a functioning country, what access to records does anyone in the asylum processing centres have for people from Sudan claiming asylum? He may not speak any English, so people interviewing him may be reliant on believing whatever an interpreter is telling them.

    Do you honestly not see an issue with granting asylum to people who have destroyed documents, so no way of determining who they are, where they cone from and what age they are.

    This may not apply to the person in question, but I suspect they travelled on forged documents given they were able to travel to Paris and then Dublin.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,631 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Stephen McCullough murdered Natalie McNally. If we were to follow the logic of the far right, we would have pogroms targetting random white men and mass vilification of white men by women.

    Now that would obviously be absurd, and hasn't happened, but if it were to happen it would merely be following the exact same logic as the far right has given us with this pogrom in Belfast.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Well I have no idea at present since I don't know what checks, if any, were done.

    So why raise the topic as if there had been an issue?

    But given the highly disturbed and barbaric attack he committed I would have been far happier if he was never allowed entry into the island of Ireland.

    Given what he did, I'd like if he never existed. Thre are also a lot more people born and bred on this island who I'd also like to have never existed given the violent abusive acts they've carried out but you never see the same anger towards them.

    At the very least he is someone with some form of mental disturbance, yet he was living in a residential neighbourhood, in a residence which I'm sure was providedby a state agency. That was obviously a disastrous decision.

    Ah ok so you now accept that it is probably a mental cause. And not a racial one? So immigration isn't the issue then?

    Do you think people with mental issues, who may be having issues securing resedential accommodation yet may well be working shouldn't receive state assistance because I've a relative in this exact boat?

    Sudan is not a functioning country, what access to records does anyone in the asylum processing centres have for people from Sudan claiming asylum? He may not speak any English, so people interviewing him may be reliant on believing whatever an interpreter is telling them.

    You're making a load of assumptions there. His asylum applicaiton was denied although he was granted temporary leave to stay. Why do you assume that his application process wasn't carried out properly?

    Do you honestly not see an issue with granting asylum to people who have destroyed documents, so no way of determining who they are, where they cone from and what age they are.

    He wasn't granted asylum. His application was refused.

    This may not apply to the person in question, but I suspect they travelled on forged documents given they were able to travel to Paris and then Dublin.

    Again, more assumptions so no point in me humouring them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,631 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Nothing new Strazdas.

    Many ultra unionists have simply moved temporarily from Taig bashing to immigrant bashing .

    Still the same agenda .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Also worth noting that Northern Ireland is number 1 in Europe for femicide but it would be all kinds of mental if countries started saying that we should ban everyone from Northern Ireland. That's not to mention the fact that the loyalist protesters themselves have a pretty lengthy history of violence. That includes the fact that loyalists previously tortured Ogilvie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And they'll happily move onto misogyny, homophobia and transphobia when it suits them. It's about hate and nothing else.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    When did I say this was a racial issue? Don't put words in my mouth

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,928 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Re barbaric acts - I remember not so long ago an Irish woman from the south bought a house in Newry. She hardly knew her 81 year old neighbour but one Christmas she went over to her house and murdered her viciously by stabbing her with a crucifix multiple times. I believe the murderer was a pharmacist. I could never understand the incident but I do hope she got the maximum sentence. I hope the psychopathic Sudanese man gets the maximum sentence too. To your point, I don't recall the same anger from amongst the loyalist community.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Northern Ireland has one of the highest murder rates of women (if not the highest) in Europe.

    These fellas aren't motivated by protecting their community or the women and children, they're only motivated by hate.

    The fact so many posters here can't see that tells me all I need to know about them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,631 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    This. Why was there no rioting over poor Natalie ? Or any of the other countless women battered and attacked in NI ?

    Northern Ireland has currently the highest rate of gender based violence and it is mainly indigenous , nothing to do with immigration.

    "98 percent of women in Northern Ireland have experienced gender-based violence in their lifetime. This 2023 statistic is reinforced by a larger trend of violence against women in Northern Ireland; domestic violence has doubled in the region since 2004, and the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) was called to a domestic violence incident every 16 minutes in 2023. "

    Gender-Based Violence in ‘Post-Conflict’ Northern Ireland: An Epidemic | Global Irish Studies | Georgetown University https://share.google/eu7scc0swbliPSgsB

    This is what needs to be discussed and dealt with by NI politicians and the public up there first and foremost . But no look over here , it's immigration .

    Using an admittedly horrific attack on a poor vulnerable man by one immigrant nutter to scapegoat the failure that is the state of the six counties is typical head in the sand behaviour by those same politicians.. The same vulnerable man that was attacked 20 years by probably the fathers of some of those rioting this week because he was different .

    And not only should we be worried about possible Irish unification with that lot , those immigrants on visas should be very worried moving to that place with their wives and children , not the other way around .

    Of course that is what those luddites want , no risk of a united ireland or a successful integrated state… they would rather keep their youths unemployed and ready to march and batter at a moments notice .

    The absolute state of commentary here from posters who cannot see what appalling criminal behaviour these rioters and thugs are perpetrating in the name of what ? Safety and security??

    They have done very little for the safety and security of the women in NI before now.

    NI is known all over the world now for this carryon and anyone who can't see that …just wait until July when they turn on nationalists .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's because they don't care. Example below:

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    They're happy to beg for money for this nonsense. They could be cleaning up their streets, checking on the elderly, setting up activities for the young, etc… But no, when they're not busy with arson, looting and violence, this is what they think is important.

    Tens of thousands of pounds could do untold good in one of Europe's most deprived regions, if they cared.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,273 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Same for me but the other way round. I haven't really thought about applying for Irish citizenship as it didn't seem to matter (both my kids are Irish, wife was Irish). If Farage gets any closer to power I will have to rethink this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭Arseboxing


    It's a bit mad that idiots like this are publicly incriminating themselves. Farage and Musk and Yaxley-Lennon and their filthy rich grifting ilk must be laughing at them.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,223 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Seriously, you really think your post doesn't appear racist?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    This is the kind of thing that happens when you don't nip anti social in the bud. Yes, it's a lot of right wing asshole, but it's mostly just miscreant teenagers. Teenagers and youths left to do as they wish by left wing "ah the poor lad" heads. World is being ruined by extremes - right and left



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I've said before thats not fair. They do want to protect women. From foreigners beating/raping them, now if they and their mates want to do it thats a whole other matter. They dont want foreign competition for the women. Only absolute braindead eejits think its that they want women safe, they just want them all to themselves.

    I wonder when the criminal records of these rioters start coming to light will they still be idolised in this thread or will it quickly tumble down away from the front page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,631 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted reply to ridiculous post .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Nah it will go to the standard 'feral yoots' to dismiss it and then they'll find a way to blame 'de left'.

    Case in point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,436 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Since I've inherited the miserly nature of Ulster Protestantism, I don't want to spend £1,300 or whatever it is on a Brit passport.

    If he wins, I'd be sorting that if I were you. I've tried to move to Europe repeatedly to no avail. Turns out a lot of countries really want people to speak their language.

    I might just go back to Ireland if it comes to it. I don't see Farage tampering with the CTA though. Irish people are mostly white and speak English. It's been generations since we were seen as a big problem and a fair few English people have Irish relatives. Anyway, he's got women, trans people, and brown foreigners to terrorise.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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