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Ireland vs Israel - To play or not to play, that is the question Read OP for Mod Warning

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I'm sure you're out virtue signaling protesting about these issues regularly Paddy.

    Couldn't be arsed having any discussion with disingenuous posters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I mean, there's a reason they call it "The American Dream," and woke is considered the opposite

    If we beam images of a Landsdowne Road crowd waving Palestinian flags around the world, advertising hoards saying "Free Palestine" it would make a much bigger impact than any boycott ever would



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Woke is not the opposite of "The American Dream".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The American dream, because they're all asleep. Much less fun when you have to explain your jokes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Why would Irish fans wave the flag of another country? Especially one that has a terrible human rights record re: women and minorities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,786 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Why would Irish fans wave the flag of another country?

    To highlight the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people, do try to keep up!

    Especially one that has a terrible human rights record re: women and minorities.

    Because the tricolour is our national flag



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Read back over our exchanges in this thread. I called your lie out directly. This post is another one since my claim isn't false: you invent "facts" when you don't have any to support your argument. Those of us who respect the truth call that lying.

    I won't waste my time arguing with you any further. It's pretty clear you're not at all bothered by FIFA's corruption, Israel's genocide, Trump's turning the USA into an oligarchy or innocent people dying just so long as you can watch football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Are you advocating shutting down the sport completely?

    Maybe you should go down to your local underage team this weekend and explain this to the kids and volunteers.

    What you are suggesting is pure nuts!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    The South African Rugby Board was a fully fledged member of the IRB as the official national representative for South Africa. Which specific IRB rules did the SARB break that lead lead to exclusion from the first two world cups, as you claimed yesterday?

    But you need not bother, because you can't find anything specific. We know you can't, and you know we know that.

    In reality, the IRB invited South Africa to compete in the 1987 World Cup, but New Zealand and Australia had already said they would not process visas for South African players, leaving the IRB with no choice but to withdraw the invitation/South Africans with no choice but to decline it.

    A most unholy mixture of politics and sport, you must agree.

    Do you think the South African rugby ream was unfairly treated in this instance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    What lie? Your the one banging on about imaginary "ethical sporting bodies" and the GAA



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Is it a reading comprehension problem ye have? Perhaps you practiced your headers too much as a child?

    I advocated Ireland withdrawing from FIFA and UEFA and calling for other democracies that respect international law to join us in forming a new governing body for football which wouldn't be corrupt and wouldn't allow dictatorships, oligarchies, countries engaged in genocide or imperial wars of agression to use football in an attempt to sportwash their international reputation.

    Even if we didn't manage to crete such a body, there's still nothing in that which would prevent underage teams from playing (or indeed any of our League of Ireland clubs).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


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    That's the lie I called you out on, it is not a fact that the FAI would have no moeny without UEFA. They may have less money but hey, you clearly don't care about facts and seem to have some perverse aversion to the concept of governing bodies behaving ethically so I'm not going to waste any further time on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    You do realise without UEFA the FAI have no matches. How do the FAI generate money if the CORE function of the business, PLAYING MATCHES, is no longer there?

    No nations league, no euro or world cup qualifiers. So where does the money come from?

    LoI clubs have no European games which are worth €10m+ in 2025.

    The debt currently stands at €40m and there is 200+ employees.

    Where does the money come from then?

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    Courses income would be gone as they are mostly UEFA Coaching courses.

    Commerical, Match income would be gone as there is no matches to sell tickets or sponsorship. And no TV rights.

    Grants etc would disappear as they are linked to the business activity. And no activity means no grants.

    I live in the real world. You clearly dont. You are in cloud cuckoo land.

    The world isnt perfect. I accept that and get one with life. You should try doing the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Even if we didn't manage to crete such a body, there's still nothing in that which would prevent underage teams from playing (or indeed any of our League of Ireland clubs).

    If FAI withdrew from UEFA they wouldnt eligible to play in UEFA events. Which is a bit like a coffee shop having no coffee



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    So, they'd lose their income from international games and European club football. That still leaves them with domestic receipts from LOI games and whatever they could get from international games organised outside of UEFA/FIFA. So not "no money" as you previously stated.

    We're not going to agree here, you believe football is more important than the lives of innocent people. I don't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    A better analogy would be a coffee shop choosing to buy it's coffee from a certified fair trade supplier…

    That there isn't currently an international body for football that behaves in an ethical fashion doesn't mean one can't be created. FIFA and UEFA are beyond redemption. They're not fit for purpose and it reflects poorly on Ireland and every other democratic nation that we continue to engage with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Your assertion that the FAI would have "no money" is a lie. Even with your own screenshot of FAI accounts, its clear they will have money - there are sources of income there that do not come from FIFA.

    You are simply doubling down on your lie. The lie was not called out by anyone living "in cloud cuckoo land" or someone who "needs to get on with life". Just someone that has the moral fortitude to call out a lie.

    The fact you resort to insults is indicative is that you know you've been caught lying and you're furiously back peddling. You must be shattered from having to do that for so long now.

    Of course, you're going to reply to me and double down yet again. Seriously, don't bother wasting your time Paddy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    The FAI don't get any receipts from LOI games, and endless friendlies against Russia, Belarus and the Palestinian FA wouldn't cover the cost of running those games, so no money is correct.

    What you don't understand is that money pays salaries, so hundreds of people would lose their livelihoods, but sure, that's great.

    He is not lying, look at the other sources.

    (1) Commercial income - No games means commercial partners are free to walk away, such clauses are now everywhere since Covid, so no commercial income

    (2) Match income - Gone

    (3) Grants and subvention income - that is the money from UEFA/FIFA all gone.

    (4) Income from technical department courses - this would likely be gone, as with no football left in Ireland, nobody would attend these courses.

    So explain to me and tell me which income will actually be left? Domestic professional football would be dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    This really is fantasy land stuff - completely out of touch with reality!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,381 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Daily friendlies against Celtic was the master solution to fixing any financial trouble.

    Lets get a bill for that infront of the Dail!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    There arent many countries who are not FIFA members. Don't see International games against the likes of the Isle of Man and Vatican City generating much income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    If we withdrew from FIFA, those countries might give us a game.

    For a start, it would have to be an amateur team, as the professional leagues wouldn't let their players play for us because of insurance issues.

    The delusional reaction to the holding of this game is reaching new levels of absurdity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl


    Its becoming increasingly clear that a high % of people on this thread know absolutely nothing about sport. There are a few who very obviously arent Irish either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    The LOI clubs keep their own gate receipts. Thats not FAI money.

    What international games would that be? There is no appetite for endless international friendlies anymore.

    The nations league was created to minimise friendlies and generate much more income for the FA in UEFA as a result.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Nations_League



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,729 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That was one solution to overcome the loss of two matches which if they don't go ahead are apparently going to result in the FAI going bankrupt, everyone who works for them losing their jobs, and 200,000 children in the country no longer being able to play soccer.

    If you want to be overly dramatic, lets do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    There are a few who very obviously arent Irish either.

    What makes you so sure about this? Fire ahead and point them out if you are so sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    How long will that little bit of money last when they have wages to pay? When they have 40m debt to service? You do realise that the coaches get paid, the players are paid match fees.

    The money will vanish pretty quickly and then they will have no money. There is no appetite for endless friendlies against Vietnam, Uzbekistan, Mauritius or whoever they might be able to entice to Dublin because the UEFA nations will be playing world Cup, euro qualifiers and nations league games in the International windows which limits the options for friendlies.

    Its not my problem that people cannot accept reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭csirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Not at all, just wondering can you back up your statement?

    Born and raised Dub, love Irish football, season ticket holder, just not a fan of genocide.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    It's become so commercialised and I think that's all that matters to FIFA and UEFA at the end of the day.



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