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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Sanction the countries involved, stop EU companies sending weapons. Cut off the oxygen to the wars. End the flow of refugees. These aren't mutually exclusive issues but you and your pals act like they are.

    And offer nothing , zilch zero.

    Outrage merchants and that's all you do page by page post by post. Legitimate concerns , issuesz yada yada buzzwords all day long. Like a fart in an elevator



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Look, I agree that the West should leave other countries alone. My point is, that whenever someone from middle east gets all stabby, we always hear the argument that the West intervention is responsible.

    And to me, it just totally removes agency from the stabby people. Like they're just drones, no agency, no accountability, no blame. It's our fault. These adults can't be responsible. And that's crazy to me, how people lay defence for such people.

    Like I'll get in board to a point. All what you've said, it's everyone else's fault they're like this, sure thing. But they're still like this, and that's a problem in itself.

    If your house is destroyed by a burst pipe, you can get to the root, fix the pipe, won't happen again,etc. Correct thing to do.

    But you still gotta deal with the flooded shít.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Ireland to sanction who, exactly? The USA? the EU?

    That sounds like the crazy one - Ruth Coppinger, who wanted to nationalise Dell a few years back.

    You do realise that on the international stage Ireland is as you say, like a fart in an elevator.

    If you want to view outrage merchants take a look at the Belfast page, full of ones who were oh so quiet on Monday night/Tuesday morning when news broke about yet another brutal attack that was delivered to an innocent white Irish man. All thanks to moronic open borders and lax controls, cause it's racist to have a border control system, apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M


    I thought you'd understand that a country of 5 to 6 million should be running the world......!!! That seems to be the view of our 'kind and inclusive' politicians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭combat14


    how did all of europe get into this mess of taking in millions of people who have nothing culturally in common with us - to the extent that there are now beheadings in the street - we will be the ones needing asylum at this rate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M


    A guilt trip. We are 'rich' so must accept anything that comes our way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭combat14


    do we have to accept any one who rocks up - if dubious scum turned up at your front door would you let them in ....?

    ultimately we have to have some standards .. and letting in smiling people who are keen to start beheadings on the street is not it - we need to protect our childrens' future first .. people who make their way through multiple countries to cherry pick "asylum" cant come before our kids future - of course genuine cases who follow proper rules are worthy of consideration for short term help - but there is something seriously ROTTEN with the current money racket system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Correct. Open border advocates often tend to be tax the rich types too. Heaven forbid you work your butt off and make something for yourself through hard graft, clever business acumen and entrepreneurship - they'll decide that you should hand the majority of it all over to some chancers rocking up to Dublin Airport without a passport, but with a sob story instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,302 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    more on the backdoor - £7k charged by Albanian smugglers for fake ID and 'guarantee' to UK via Dublin. Ireland refuse to say how the Sudanese entered Dub, but immigration experts say he would have needed a visa to travel Paris-Dub.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M


    While growing up they went to private schools, needed grinds, worked contacts. Absolutely pathetic stuff by them.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,692 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think it's a mix. Many NGOs were funded by Soros' Open Society Foundation. He is a billionaire.

    For non EU work permits to be issued, employers have to request them.

    For the left-wing groups that support open borders, it's more a philosophical position, perhaps in part a redistributionist one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,413 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Stephen Ogilvie family said.. "We want to make it absolutely clear that unrest is not welcome, and peaceful protest is the only way forward... The Nowak family likewise condemned the unrest and urged that any demonstrations remain peaceful. I can't help thinking they may have been encouraged by the authorities to make those appeals, although there is no evidence to confirm that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    A great post, but I would wonder whether you are correct that it is the difficulty getting other countries to accept returns that is the problem. For example, there was an arrangement between the UK and Ireland post-Brexit that allowed returns of asylum seekers between the two countries. In the wake of the recent Belfast attempted beheading, it was reported that the UK only returned one asylum seeker to Ireland and Ireland returned none to the UK.

    This despite the North being the route 90% of asylum seekers take to reach the Republic, the majority of whose claims are then rejected. Despite this, we have not returned any back over the border. We've even declared the UK an unsafe country to tie our own hands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    GGovernment to borrow load of you. money to all while spending loads on people they invite into this country .

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2026/06/10/government-will-need-to-borrow-for-new-funds-as-spending-rises-at-fastest-rate-in-eu-says-budgetary-watchdog/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭Iecrawfc


    The only refugees being accommodated should be from actual war zones ie Ukraine, Iran, Palestine, Lebanon not Sudan or Nigeria, where life might be **** and tough, but its not a war zone and if your life is in danger go to your neighbouring country not a different continent to get away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Under normal circumstances I might agree, but we are essentially in an emergency from a capacity, services and increasingly security point of view.

    Ireland gives more than its fair share of foreign aid with 2.35 billion spent in 2024 alone :

    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-foreign-affairs/press-releases/minister-richmond-launches-irish-aid-annual-report-2024-showing-irelands-impact-in-over-100-countries/

    That's a lot when you consider the domestic challenges we face in housing, healthcare, infrastructure and all the rest - not to mention the additional billions spent on accommodating and financially supporting the refugees and economic migrants already here.

    Then you see links like Jeff2's above. An additional 30 billion to be added to national debt over the next 3.5 years! This in a country that we keep getting told has one of the best economies in the Eurozone if not the world! Something doesn't add up.

    Either way, Ireland has done more than its part to help the poor and unfortunate of the world. It doesn't mean we should bring or invite them here to our own struggling little island.

    We can't afford to be importing any more dependents, or drains on the public finances, especially those with nothing to offer except maybe the ability to deliver a takeaway or work in a garage shop - those skills we can definitely fill at home.

    As I and many others have said, we absolutely need to tighten and improve the turnaround time for asylum applications and ensure that those rejected are actually sent back to whenever they came from - not just left to roam the streets in the meantime or asked nicely if they wouldn't mind getting themselves to the airport. Rather they should be accommodated in a nearby processing location until the outcome is decided.

    When that happens, they should be told to attend an interview, be prepared to depart immediately if it's unsuccessful and then escorted by immigration officials to the airport immediately after the meeting.

    If they don't like this process or think it's unfair, they are more than welcome to depart immediately instead - no one forced them to come here, and certainly no one is forcing them to remain.

    We should be looking at the work visa situation too. "IT" for example is a very broad term as anyone who works in it (like myself) will know. Do we really need so many Indian call centre staff, or who are doing basic deskside roles?

    Only specialised, highly skilled, or experienced people should be "imported" for locally based roles if those people can't be found here (which given the amount of IT companies and workers here already is a bit hard to believe) - not just because they're cheaper to hire than local talent. The same thing applies to the healthcare sector - especially as so many of our own graduates are being forced to emigrate themselves.

    Again as I've said before, Immigration needs to start benefiting Ireland, not just new arrivals looking for handouts or their cut of what we've built over the past 30 years, or employers looking to cut salary costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,860 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    Philip Brett of the DUP was on the RTE Six One News last night. He's a representative of North Belfast, and he said "We released a clear statement on behalf of the family today, that they don't want their grief, the attack upon their son exploited by anyone. They want people to step back, calm heads, they want politicians to continue to lead…"

    I'm sure they were encouraged what to say in that statement. Philip sounds like he and his party wrote it, and that the family's name was tagged on.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/player/six-one-news-web/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭strathspey


    Why aren't we building holding pens in the middle of a bog somewhere, tents with razor wire perimeters to keep these failed AS until their deportation arrangements have been finalized. Why are they merely asked to leave the state?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Any chance of an apology for your deliberately misleading post ......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Because if we did such (entirely sensible) things you'd immediately have the far left political groups, the NGOs, and the crusaders out claiming that it was inhumane and akin to concentration camps or something.

    The key difference that wouldn't be mentioned of course (as I said above) is that no one would be forcing these people to stay. They could be escorted to the airport and sent back to where they came from or anywhere else that would take them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭strathspey


    When I lived in Phoenix, Sheriff Joe built tent city and when Amnesty International started up that it was inhuman to accommodate prisoners in tents in 40C+ heat in the middle of the desert his reply was that he had a son who had done 3 tours of Iraq, living in the same conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Better off just not engaging in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Ireland 2026 in a nutshell, everything that is wrong, which fuels the anger of people is this stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    But yeah, Stay calm, trust the system. Blah blah



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yep, let's give away houses to any chancer who rocks up and who may be skipping back and forth to the place they're "fleeing" for holidays while people (like myself at the moment actually!) who were born here from irish parents and roots, who've contributed to the tax take for 30 years, and who has worked up over that time to earn supposedly "good money", struggle to find a decent place to buy that even then is likely to be 2 counties away from my workplace.

    Makes sense!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,383 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,957 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    First issue there is the "leave to remain" concept. If your application is rejected then you should be immediately escorted to the airport and deported. Immediately as in that same day.

    Second one is the notion that these failed asylum-seekers should be given the same rights and entitlements as the natives. Why? They've failed in their application. They have no basis for being here. Why should they continue to be our problem or responsibility?

    Third problem is that of course we don't have enough housing as it is in general, let alone social housing, and we already have massive waiting lists for what is there with an already massively disproportionate number of non-national applicants on it.

    The entire country is getting closer to an abyss that'll make the Recession years look like a rough weekend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Tells you all you need to know about this thread and where the lads are getting their marching orders from.

    Soros nonsense check.

    Everyone's a lefty including the victims family , check.

    Billionaires graft hard for their money harder than anyone and we should praise all that effort anyone that says anything about a wealth tax is a socialist , check .

    Pogroms are legitimate concerns , check.

    Bunch of stooges for foreign nations and billionaires trying to disrupt countries across the world and remove stability so they can gain wealth or a foot hold. Various folks on here said they were ok with Ukrainians but the funny part is Russia a large funder and origin of a portion of the the online automated mind play hates your Ukrainian pals.

    All this subterfuge your under is fairly obvious once you take a few steps backwards.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/09/tommy-robinson-meets-elon-musk-father-moscow

    And farage is involved too.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-11/belfast-riots-tommy-robinson-elon-musk/106786798?utm_source=Bluesky&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=bluesky_news.abc.net.au

    The cross overs here a highly visible and people are being played like fiddles.



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