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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Yup, you're right, and every single mainstream outlet is covering and condemning it. They're also going further and digging into reasons why it's happening (naming like you have, racist) without the fear of throwing anyone under the bus.

    Meanwhile, a guy got his eye gouged out and all we got was "poor lad". No probing or dissection as to why. Just one of those things. Impossible to discuss or reason why.

    There's a middle ground in all of this, between the extremes. The racist cúnts harassing non white people, and wherever the fúck you are, total fantasy land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This is the modus operandi. If they keep showing their bias like that more people will stop trusting MSM.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I'd have thought that it doesn't matter what you I or anyone thinks about the fella that was attacked.

    The attacked who's quite plainly was caught red handed will be treated exactly as the law is laid out by the police who arrested him.

    I'm not sure why people feel that have overly expressiveness of feelings about the victim will change the outcome here ? ( It won't) So isn't all just performative when you boil it down. People will forget about this and him in a week as they normally do. And that unfortunate person should they survive has to live with a new and incredibly difficult future life.

    The performative **** doesn't add anything to any of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,177 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The Brits aren't happy that this guy was able to take a bus from Dublin to Belfast but in fairness it was them that gave him permission to remain there.

    They will conveniently ignore the fact that we get a lot more illegals dumped on us when they make their way down here from NI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Maybe their policies in the fckn middle east should be something they should examine. Between dropping and supplying dropping of bombs across the regions they've got some neck giving out.

    The **** that them, the US via Israel and those Russian gobshites get up to in the region is the purposeful pursuit of unrest. Which prompts flight northwards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Lol, I love this one. This is payback I guess? If your ancestors hadn't been colonisers, immigrants wouldn't be gouging the eyes out of people, stabbing women in the street, stabbing kids in schools, etc. Yes, I am very progressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The racist mob are out tonight, maybe not as severe as last night, but they are still out. Maybe you can explain why someone would use a despicable attack 2 nights ago to carry out racist attacks on innocent people? the floor is all yours



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You love it because your probably in favour of all the actions down there. Without a clue how it impacts.

    The usual.

    Can't see cause and effect because the Twitter feed doesn't explain that part out loud.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Anything going on in Scotland or is it calmer there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭almostover


    There are a lot of parallels between the reaction to these attacks perpetrated by migrants and the reactions to the school shootings so common place in the USA.

    There is the initial horror at the attacks in both cases and the resultant deaths / life changing injuries suffered by the victims. Then there is the analysis of the background of the perpetrator of the crime, their past, previous criminal history if they had one, unearthing all the red flags that were ignored before the person killed / maimed innocent people.

    And then a similar conclusion is reached. Political inertia means we cannot change the system that is so clearly broken and the root cause of the issue. For the school shootings it's the infamous 2nd amendment. Written in 1791 in completely different circumstances with the firearms of today being unimaginable. Same goes for the UN refugee convention of 1951. Written in the aftermath of the horror of WWII, in a world where moving between countries was far more difficult that it is now with modern aviation. Written in a time of completely different socio economic circumstances. And yet, some point to it as an immutable document as an excuse as to why current migration practices cannot be changed.

    Two ends of the political spectrum playing the same game. And innocent victims continue to die in both cases.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Maybe you can explain why someone would use a despicable attack 2 nights ago to carry out racist attacks on innocent people?

    Eh, because they're racist and morons? Did you think I'd stutter? "Floor is all yours". Jesus Christ, you just invent people and argue against them. Unreal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭satguy


    If they gave him permission to remain in NI.

    Did they put him up in a hotel,, or Put him in a HMO / Flat.

    Or maybe he has a wife and was given a 3 bed house.

    If I was a reporter in the UK, these are the questions I would ask,, maybe even ask what SW he was getting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Much calmer although we are entering the 'marching season' so will probably kick off again soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    your probably in favour of all the actions down there.

    See my comment above. Phenomenal strawman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    He was given permission to remain in the UK and you are treated like anyone else in the UK unless his asylum decision had an endorsement for no public funds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I saw your comment , I responded to that comment.

    You brought up something about colonisation? That's exactly strawman.

    Why ?

    Because you're fully aware the UKs actions are current and now and the last decade back to libya involvement . Where is it you think these people come from ? The 1800s? Or like now ...

    Strawman, yes. You're attempting to do it now. But badly.

    I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Ah yes, the civilizations of southwest Asia were all lovely and peaceful sitting around holding hands singing songs until the big bad yank and the big bad roskie rocked up and turned it all to crap.

    World power and domination have been around since the dawn of time and will always continue to be.

    Small nations like Ireland and most EU nations have a choice in who we ally with:

    Our choices are:

    • American influence with some decent amounts of democracy and a fair dollop of freedom for citizens, protected with strong military might and relative economic prosperity.
    • Russian influence with little democracy, curtailed freedoms and near poverty for the majority.
    • China influence with strict state controls limited freedoms and near poverty for the majority along with rapid environmental damage.
    • Islamic influence with strict state controls, limited freedoms, anti LGBT and near poverty for the majority.

    Be careful what you wish for, be grateful for what you have, and strive to protect it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Because you're fully aware the UKs actions are current and now and the last decade back to libya involvement . Where is it you think these people come from ? The 1800s? Or like now ...

    Strawman, yes. You're attempting to do it now. But badly.

    I

    Lol, on the wine here 🍷. Total madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    There was very little made of it here also tbf

    A number of people I spoke to yesterday and today either weren’t aware it was a beheading or hadn’t heard about it at all

    There was a time not long ago that such a case would’ve rocked the entire country. Not anymore - some cursory articles and then let’s all forget about it.

    And to think it’s now been eclipsed by another beheading case (or sorry, “stabbing”) only a couple of weeks later? Honestly beggars belief

    But no let’s not talk about any of it or what’s going on - the Loyalists are acting like troglodytes in what is a massive shocker, much more pertinent topic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M


    ESRI was lauding our economy just before the 2008 crash. Is that a suitable comment?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    I've heard of the Clifden murder been a beheading, and I've no faith in MSM, but I also have no faith in alt media, for the same reason, no transparency or accountability. So is there any hard evidence of a beheading?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Yup knew you'd be in favour of more bombing in the middle east.

    Turkeys voting for Christmas. It's so plainly obviously stupid, cause and effect quite easy to understand but folks still gung ho regardless.

    Bet your also for lower taxes for the rich and corporations. Woohoo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭thegame983


    He was stabbed in both eyes and had his face mutilated. His aggressor was mounted on top of him and was cutting/sawing at his neck with a kitchen knife when he was pulled off him. His head was not actually removed from his body (obviously as he is not dead).

    So it was a beheading attempt as opposed to an actual beheading.

    Edit. Well that's the Belfast one which I assume is what you are referring to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,501 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    We're on the wrong page. I was referring to the Clifden murder, which the OP was alluding to. I'm fully aware the Belfast murder was an attempted beheading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭thegame983


    Sorry, yeah I only realised that when I saw you mentioned Clifden.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    What a way to miss the point - but you think your 'I bet your… x, y and z' gotcha is something it ain't.

    The four options are poor, bad, worse, and worst. You get to pick one because if you don't pick one, one will pick you. That's the reality of being a small nation like ours.

    If the USA stopped meddling in the middle east in the morning, the Chinese or the Russians or some other power will soon fill the void.

    The Americans are not the only Sherriff in town who wants to dominate it all. Yet many on the left are so naïve to believe that if the USA were gone tomorrow then the world will suddenly transform into utopia.

    The reason you have anything at all is thanks to American might. They certainly do carry out batshit crazy military interventions, but what else can you do but tut tut and wag your finger at them, cause without them you probably wouldn't exist at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,672 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    So that's a yes then ?

    And we should just swallow all the additional money required to either deal with influx or the additional billions on border protections and controls.

    Great ideas. Real idea man stuff .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Who do you suggest we align with then? You've obviously ran out of favour with the Americans. Boot them out so, take the majority of the MNCs with them too. Now whats left, where do we cozy up to to try and rescue the economy?

    Come on man, think it through goddammit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Well I mean a lot of the present day nonsense in the Middle East comes from the illegal Iraq war so not exactly ancestors. It lead to the birth of IS in result of the power vacuum left behind after saddam which committed countless atrocities across the Middle East and terrorist attacks across Europe. It lead to the Arab spring which lead to the powder keg going off in Syria which lead to a refugee crisis across Europe.

    Regarding Africa western intervention in Libya lead to immigration to sky rocket from Africa. Under Gaddafi, bilateral agreements and strict border policing heavily restricted undocumented migration from sub-Saharan Africa to the Mediterranean coast. Following his removal, militias and smuggling syndicates took control of routes. The collapse of the regime caused a massive spike in departures via the Central Mediterranean route. Italy saw irregular border crossings skyrocket from approximately 28,500 in 2011 to roughly 163,000 in 2016, with the majority of migrants departing from Libyan shores.


    Now I think there’s way too much immigration and too many piss takers chancing their arm. I’m obviously not exclusively blaming US/UK foreign interventions for the immigration crisis but their actions over this past 25 years haven’t helped. They should stop meddling and initiating crises but such is their nature.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 633 ✭✭✭B2021M




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