Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Read a piece from an ex alliance party member in Belfast but can’t find it now. He says the attack took place in a nationalist area, 400m from a unionist area. He said the rioting would be 10x worse if it happened in a unionist area. He also stated that there is contention in the area between both sides for them to remain nationalist/loyalist areas and immigration in this area is a powder keg for old lines.

Also Police have informed SF mayor a threat against her life has been made.

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Yesterday the perpetrator was (according to reports on X) here illegally from Somalia and had killed someone with a machete.

"incidentally in that whole incident a lot of criticism fell on Bertie rightly or wrongly, there was no criticism whatsoever of the stupid woman who decided she would illegally record what he was saying. If you or I recorded a conversation without the knowledge of another we would be instantly faced with all kinds of charges."

Squonk as far as I know, Ireland is a one party consent state when it comes to recordings, so I don't think she would be able to be charged with anything even if there was any will to do so. Plus, she was on her own property and he knocked on her door rather than the other way around. If it was recorded on a ring doorbell would there be calls to regard that as illegal?

I am not a fan of politicians being regarded as above everyone else, so anything that might cause them even minor discomfort being regarded as illegal. This is a republic after all.

The folk posting these do not care one bit if it is correct or not

What’s your point here?

No one is saying immigration is wrong, or immigrants are bad.

Rather, firstly, Ireland does not need to import criminality or people who want along off the system. There are plenty of new immigrants who do. The asylum system and legal immigration process could be more selective to reduce this.

Secondly, if immigrants generally make more tax contributions than irish people, that’s clearly better than having the opposite where they would contribute less.
it does create a more complex first world problem though where if we have record numbers of legal immigrants, and limited resources like housing, and no clear means of resolving this, it does create a scarcity of those resources. Ireland could look at the example of Canada and Australia to reduce immigration for those reasons, and have more targeted approach to getting immigrants with specific skills. E.g. healthcare.

The generosity of the Irish people and taxpayers knows no limits.

We have reached and broken through 120,000 arrivals from UKR.

Italy is miles behind us, at just 41,000 arrivals. I wonder do they have an ARP scheme there?

Even Austria, a very rich country, quite close to UKR, has received only 88,000.

France is just under 50,000, although that excludes UKR children.

For a country of just 5.5m people, where 1m earners pay zero income tax, the other 2m earners are doing a herculean job: minding themselves, the huge numbers of Irish on welfare, the many bogus asylum-seekers, and also 120,000 arrivals from Ukraine.

The Irish taxpayer deserves a moument in Kiev.

Note: some of the 120,000 have left, estimates suggest 85,000 live here.

Watching BBC news for the past 25 mins. All the reporters, politicians and guest speakers are discussing the riots last night in Belfast and the scurge of social media who are encouraging it. Not one person is speaking about the elephant in the room ie. Illegal criminals roaming the streets of the UK and Ireland due to governmeent policies and the governments failing citizens and legal residents.

Completely ignore the majority on population, then use occasional unrest as an excuse to tighten the noose. Dangerous time's we live in and it's important now more then ever to vote for the right parties.

The UK are fine, they have reform and following them will be restore if reform don't do enough but in Ireland we've probably got Aontu and that's about it. Unless FFG change approach we're screwed.

The authorities know who they are because they are finger printed and probably biometrically scanned for "Social Welfare". The authorities know who they are, but they dont tell them to go home.

What do you think Reform will do, or Restore after them? There seems to be a belief that each step further Right is going to bring the big win on migration. The biggest generational victory of Right wing politics in the UK, Brexit, has achieved the result of more non-EU immigration which has basically replaced EU immigration.

So far, Nigel Farage's biggest contribution to UK demographics is to be a key figure in the political movement that has delivered more non-European migrants to the UK than ever before.

The fact is — if Farage takes power it doesn't change the fact that the UK is a representative democracy which will require him to make compromises left, right and centre until like most other election winning politician in history he makes his own politics unpopular with just about everyone, including those who voted for him who eventually see him as a traitor.

The reality is that every immigration policy that has ever been devised has only ever been one war or natural disaster away from collapse. Farage delivering long lasting changes on migration will require him to compromise and co-operate with the very people he seeks to turn the electorate against.