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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,688 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    6.30 flat for u grade under 24 months bulls.

    Down 90 cent from 8 weeks ago on my last kill.

    Will try shop around more on Monday but if no better will be sending on at 6.30 end of week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Thats some drop. It must be very feasible now to export cattle into north Africa given that Ireland is the whipping boys of Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,633 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    There was stupidity on the suckler side.as well with farmers putting extra heifers incalf with the highest beef price we hasd seennin over half a century in real terms. Beef farminh here is not completely based on subsidised sucklers. I have nothing against sucklers however I am against subsidising production as it filters into the processors profits. There is oarts of this country where lads have no choice because of land type but keep them.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    I sold in calf springers last autumn for average €4600. These were 30 month old. Granted they were quality stock that I would normally keep for myself but I figured I probably wouldn’t see such prices again for a while and circa €1000 less if in beef - hardly stupidity.

    Suckler herd has increased 2% over 2025 numbers - hardly life threatening. And hardly stupidity either given the way the beef trade was either.

    But anything to suit your anti suckler narrative……….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭morphy87


    I know a man that has over 100 continentals ready for the factory, majority u grades, all under age and he can’t shift them and they are still in the shed,



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Just saw this on Facebook. Anyone use the website: https://irelandcattleprice.com

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭memorystick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,633 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Hardvto know what.way things are going pricecwise. Watching Kilmallock yesterday 560-640kg Friesians makingbthe equivalent of 6.2-6.4/ kg equivkent to a basebif 6.45-6.7. HE and AA making 6.8-7/ kg.

    FI says some finishers still struggling to get cattle killed but makes no mention of type or weight and says quoted have dropped to 6.1 and 6.2. Cattle scarcs hete in the SW. Marts very small only 60 lors of heifers and 60 lots of bulls in Gortalea Friday night.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    I think the only chance of a lift is England getting through to the second stage in the World Cup. Australian beef won’t get there quick enough to meet the extra demand, but ours will. Maybe that’s why finishers here are being left with cattle in sheds right now. It’s a bit of a gamble. Just need some good BBQ weather now as well.
    What do Spanish lads eat when they’re watching football? Hopefully it’s not our fish!

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Its the continentals they don't want as much. They would secretly bite the hand off you for aa and he.

    Its a national scandal that we are farting around the eu markets for years and can't sell our beef thats delivering 7.50+ to their native farmers in a world scarcity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,633 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Its time to put pressure on.over CFU using PGI status. Front page story in todays FI. There is 5 CFU's slaughtering over 10k head a year, 13 doing 5-10 k and 37 doing 2-5 k. That is about 280-300 k head that is treated as PGI grass fed cattle that shpuld not be. Thatbis how we should put the boot in, anything to do with BB will not hit them.as hard

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭grass10


    Hopefully you can get something achieved with the campaign but I doubt it as if we had access to the names of the owners of these cfu killing large numbers of cattle I'm fairly certain that many of these herds are factory owned and I know a man very well who'd be on 3k plus per year who was buying non qa cattle fat cattle every week with the last 5 months and slaughtered within 7 days in a main stream factory and being paid full price on these by mixing them in with qa cattle with the factories consent while other lads were being told their is poor demand for beef etc, as he told me many times the factories can put any label they want on beef when they sell it

    I know another finisher approx 5k per year who will have cattle grazing a few paddocks near the yard to cover himself that he is a grass fed herd even in the winter he'll put a lame animal out in a sacrifice paddock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Sergeant Bilco


    From talking to department vets, they love cfu's and are viewed as solving a big problem re TB and am told there's more cfu's in the pipeline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    I'm getting the opposite from them.

    I don't see why Media and ordinary farmers are so interested in them.

    Most are owned by ordinary farmers ok they are usually larger farmers but still farmers that chose to run a restricted herd.

    Can anyone explain the difference in them and a normal herd the same size except for the twice yearly testing, no penelty and compensation for reactors?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    If I was staying at the beef job i was planning on registering as one here.Had an DVO official inspect the place 2 years ago to make sure it was suitable..(boundaries double fenced and no contact possible with neibouring herds).It would have allowed me to buy calves or cattle from tb restricted herd but not sell and cattle for live trade nor claim compensation for any reactors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Coltsfoot99


    It probably is better for cull cows and buying cattle that regular farmers wouldn't or couldn't touch but the real power in them is in the volume of turnover I reckon, is it about 60 now above 2k cattle a year and they control 30% of the kill per year, when they reach 100 like that it will probably be over 50% of the kill, they are designed for super scale production, not Jimmy with 500 bullocks a year.

    If you have 500 cattle on a 2 or 3 month finishing, you need to keep the bank certain no reactor will upset turnover

    To answer and not answer your question.

    Post edited by Coltsfoot99 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭farawaygrass


    what exactly is a double fenced boundary? Say you have an electric at the boundary wall with a neighbour, so you have to set back another fence a certain distance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    Is there a reason a normal herd can't go to same scale?

    Reactor on normal farm means you just need permit to buy(I have one for few months most years)

    Neither reason explains the obsession with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Coltsfoot99


    I'm presuming that it is because you could have 500k Euros to a million plus at any one finishing period in the shed , replicated across the year. Additional financial security needed for banks etc.

    They can also buy from herds other farmers cannot and finish reactors with non TB cattle who are going to slaughter within 30 days,



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 5,110 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Are CFUs part of the TB clean up system for the Dept?

    They seem to take a portion of cows/cattle that the Dept would otherwise have to dispose of. That beef is then not lost to Ireland Inc (that is, the processors) and it costs the Dept less in compensation.

    Or am I over-simplifying things?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭leoch


    i think in my opinion some feedlots are usually large farmers with enormous single farm payments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    Possibly was once. But they grew old and reduced down because they hadn't to work for money with most now ones with small payments that had to grow to survive

    I think now some are processor controlled but processor's have as many ordinary farms under control as the benefits are nearly gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    What is see is some of these CFU are just buying up old cull cows and are probably helping spread TB around. They are "buying" cull cows from restricted herd and then these cows are infecting the wildlife on the CFU lands which then spreads to adjoining land owners...

    Post edited by Anto_Meath on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They have nitrates exemptions and most have formed companies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    What nitrates exemptions exist for CFU? My research says it's the same exemption/alterations apply to any restricted herd.

    Forming a company is usually for tax, funding or succession reasons most bigger operations let them be dairy,tillage,beef or CFU are now companies we have discussed the pros and cons on farming fourm more than once.

    I have several friends/frienemeies farming as cfu and companies separate and together some have I have chatted and have given me various valid reasons for trading it n that manner but I am still struggling to see the the obsession with them and talking like they are the devil's work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    I agree with this.

    But I think the inconsistency between DVOs and even between people in same DVO is mad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I don't know how you could sweeze the amount of cattle into massive sheds weekly no matter the time of year without escaping the nitrates limits the rest of the populist put up with it.

    They are Constantly buying in marts. You couldn’t keep up with the logic and limited acreage whilei haveto watch my back regularly. I know one guy sold a farm and gone bigger than ever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭manjou


    If you have tb you are exempt from nitrates till you are clear as you can't sell. Maybe tge same for cfus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭epfff


    Nope rule doesn't apply to CFUs. It's a reason why some don't opt to become CFUs



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