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Belfast Far Right Riots 2026 [Mod Note in OP]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The Irish mentioned above were legal immigrants.

    Legal immigration is welcome. See categories (1) to (6) below:

    (1) Irish returning home = welcome

    (2) EU citizens who work = welcome (**non-working to be removed, e.g. the Puskas family)

    (3) non-EU with visas = welcome (*although I think we should reduce the inflow by raising the minimum salary)

    (4) non-EU study visas = welcome (*although due to the extreme rents and housing crisis, I think we should reduce this inflow)

    (5) UKR refugees = welcome, although we were too generous, and received way too many compared to other countries

    (6) programme refugees = welcome, I suggest 1,000 per year max

    It is category no. 7 that are not welcome:

    (7) bogus asylum-seekers. 80% to 90% of applicants are bogus, as stated by the Irish Govt.

    Note that category 7 is a small share of immigration. Current inflows are about 20,000 pa I think? So even if the Irish Govt stopped bogus AS, there would still be plenty of immigration.

    Note that you can be pro-immigration [1 to 6], but also against one type of illegal immigration [7].

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,437 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They plundered these places and stole the land from the natives. That you're comparing this with peaceful immigrant communities in Belfast is just vile, honestly.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The percentage bogus has ranged from 80% to 90%, according to official sources.

    Few of these are ever removed, unfortunately.

    We let them stay, even though the Govt here admits that their claims aren't genuine.

    Bad and all as this is, the support for the SocDems is actually rising!!!!

    They are an avowedly open-borders, anti-deportation party.

    FF and FG say the AS are bogus, yet let them stay.

    The SD would be worse!!! They would invite more to come here!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭Jizique


    I really don't think anyone from these islands plundered Sudan, Somalia or Ethiopia, unless you include Bob Geldof and even Bono, the former who is unlikely to have survived a short music career if we're not for jumping on a famine bandwagon in 1985



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    So, all the European travelling and expansion and creation over centuries you'd rather never happened? It's why we have civilization today; plundered my arse!!!

    Oh, and I am not comparing at all…..the two scenarios are not remotely the same, nor should they be compared to try make them remotely the same.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,437 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You're literally whitewashing centuries of genocide, plunder, rape and expropriation. Why are you doing this?

    Yes, I'd much rather that the Europeans had stayed where they were.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It has increased by around 25% in the last 15 years

    Population in 2010 = 4.47 million

    Population 2025 = 5.46 million

    Considering the figures about fertility in Ireland in recent years and the percentage of immigrants in Ireland then the increase of our population is being mainly caused by immigration is true.

    Over 20% if our population were born outsude of Ireland

    Only 70% of births in 2025 were born to mothers of Irish nationality (no info on whether these mothers were Irish or are just paper citizens)

    There were 54k births in Ireland in 2025 and 35k deaths

    70% of these births are by Irish women which is 37.8k so essentially our natural birth rate would keep the population fairly stable with just a slight increase each year.

    Over 20% of our population were born outside the state.

    All of these things are facts not education by social media , census figures are very easy to find.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭Jizique


    That is a bit like saying Kerrymen should have stayed there and not gone to Cork or Dublin, or my auld lad should never have gone to Galway, or Scots should never have moved to London.

    We probably would all be better off if Columbus had never set sail.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    1.7m people over 20 years is a migration rate comparable similar to what we’re seeing here in the 2020’s - Ireland is far smaller than the East coast of the United States or even New England. We’re also in the midst of a severe housing crisis.

    And what about the fact that there was no welfare back then? Irish migrants if not working were not getting free healthcare etc funded by the taxes of the existing American populace. Meanwhile we are spending billions of taxes annually on our asylum system alone.

    There is no comparison, it’s preposterous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,055 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Whitewashing nothing…give over the exaggeration and hysterics….

    humans move, travel, explore, conquer, navigate, expand etc….it's why we bloody exist…humans did this centuries ago because that's what humans did….innate in our being to do this…..yes, of course there then were hostilities and disagreements and fighting…..again, this is in us as humans..

    It's all in the past!!! And it happened because it happened…..we are in 2026 now and you're bringing up Europeans from centuries of travel and expansion and trying to ask why it's different to the mass immigration into Ireland today and recently….I think makes no sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,437 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So why do you get so upset when people from Africa and Asia do it? Why should it just be a privilege for white people then?

    Your points always seem to be that it's fine for white people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    My wife was telling me last night that her brother, who is a doctor in a Northern Irish hospital, works in a department where a large portion of the consultants are from Sudan. The department is already quite stretched as it is.
    If the Sudanese consultants decided to move to a country where they did not feel threatened, what would happen to their patients? Is this what the racists are protesting for?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,994 ✭✭✭take everything


    The following isn't from Facebook.

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/Denmark/comments/1icwy7b/violent_crime_conviction_rate_in_denmark_by/

    That's from Statbank from the Danish government. Posted on a thread on Denmark Reddit (those well known racists on Denmark Reddit).

    Denmark, as it seems to be hard to get good data on crime by race/country anywhere. The Danes have it though.

    So, obviously this will be attacked and scrutinised to death but, if I'm not mistaken: 1. the source is fine (Statbank).

    2. A criticism that it may not be controlled for by socioeconomic factors (not sure if that's true anyway) is moot as these are the ages and sex of the people being imported to the country. So it is relevant as to how much crime is affected by the new arrivals.

    3. Further down the thread, there is adjustment to the figures anyway and a pattern remains.

    4. Even with all these caveats, it's something that can't just be ignored. There is a distinct signal here.

    This is the kind of thing that needs to inform mature, grown up debate about immigration. Not feelings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,437 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The scum who engage in arson and pogroms don't care one bit about actual people.

    We had something similar, albeit non-violent with Brexit. If the EU migrants left tomorrow the NHS would collapse. Of course, we can't be asking questions about that so it got ignored.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    "Granting leave-to-remain to bogus asylum seekers"

    How can it be 'bogus' if leave-to-remain was granted - that means their application is legitimate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,844 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    just so we’re up to date - the accused attempted murderer was given asylum in 2023 until 2028. Not ‘illegal’ so this really isn’t tied to migrants at all. It’s either a case of blaming whoever approved him - the UK gov - or just admitting you don’t like non whites



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,893 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    You know damn well that in the main, this issue is not about legal immigrants that are working and contributing to society, here or in the UK. Its pretty low to try and conflate the two tbh.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    …or just admitting you don’t like non whites

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,437 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Scroll back a page and you'll see full well that this was about the presence of a Sudanese community who are now living in fear. You can spare me the performative outrage while you're at it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,681 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    He or she is clearly posting in bad faith as this 'bogus' nonsense they are pushing has been debunked numerous times in this thread



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    True but how is it that Denmark has an excellent health service and hardly any of their medical staff are non Danish? David Quinn mentioned this in the Brendan O'Connor show I think in Sunday. I think the Danish Social Democrats have avoided the collapse of the Left seen in other Western countries by moving to the Centre on migration.

    Also we need to separate the issue of labour migration from the issue of asylum.

    Zia Yusuf, a senior member of Reform UK, is from a Muslim background. I think even in some immigrant and minority communities, there isn't a uniform pro asylum position. We saw in the Brexit referendum some of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,437 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They probably have a different approach to things. The Nordics are famous for being high tax, high welfare societies. By contrast, the Irish expect American levels of tax and Scandinavian levels of public services. When we had the boom, Charlie McGreevy decided to waste it on tax cuts so people could keep up with the Joneses and buy holiday homes in Eastern Europe. Unsurprisingly, the chickens came home to roost.

    The Danes tightly control immigration but they also invest in their country. Ireland is happy to educate its people and send them to England, to the US, to Australia or wherever.

    No party is going to be stupid enough to raise taxes so nothing ever changes.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    One reply to that reddit post is as follows:

    So I have seen this chart floating around and I have been trying really hard to find the source of the information. I have search on the Statistics Denmark page and the conclusion I have arrived at is that the data here is FAKE, MISLEADING and dangerous. The goal for such misinformation is just to fuel prejudice and hatred towards immigrants.

    However, official data from Statistics Denmark tells a different story (I have attached the link for anyone interested in delving deeper into it.

    The Majority of Convictions Involve Danish-Origin Individuals – In 2023, nearly 75% of all criminal convictions were of people of Danish origin, meaning immigrants and their descendants make up a much smaller portion.

    Context Matters – The viral image ignores key factors like population size, age distribution, and socioeconomic conditions, all of which influence conviction rates. Any per-capita differences do not reflect an overall crime surge due to immigration.

    Crime Trends Are Stable – Over the years, the total number of convicted individuals has not drastically increased due to immigration, and the proportion of convictions among Danes remains dominant.

    Let’ verify sources and consider the full context before spreading misleading claims.

    https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/emner/sociale-forhold/kriminalitet/doemte-personer

    So, would you like to rephrase this line again?

    This is the kind of thing that needs to inform mature, grown up debate about immigration. Not feelings.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    Historians estimate between 4 & 18 million Native people lived in present day US & Canada pre-colonisation. Hardly "largely empty".

    “Natives of Ireland comprised 53.9 per cent of New York City’s foreign-born inhabitants in 1855, but at Bellevue Hospital, 85 per cent of all the foreign born admitted from 1849 to 1859 were born in Ireland.”

    Dillingham Commission Reports (1911)

    Bellevue Hospital was a psychiatric hospital in the 19th century.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 4,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Edit: Yes but Denmark is only 14% non Danish so 25% is much higher than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭scottser


    Indeed. Go to any Dublin hospital and the nurses are predominantly Indian and Filipino. We'd be gooched without them because newly graduated Irish nurses will happily tell you that they are going to Australia or Saudi for the money as soon as they can afford the flight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,204 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The main difference now is our own authorities are giving away land (homes) to immigrants when we've a ridiculous number of Irish who can't either buy or get a social house.

    Is it too much to ask for better policies for Irish people? 100% of social housing to Irish born or those with Irish parents. Something like 70% of properties for sale and rent to the same category?

    We're in a crisis here, it's time we start getting priority in our homeland.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Unfortunately that is not how it works.

    The Irish Govt grants leave-to-reman, despite the Govt also admitting that 80% of applicants are bogus.

    Why exactly they let bogus AS stay here, I don't know.

    But they do.

    The Taoiseach staes openly, and clearly, that 80% of AS are in fact economic migrants.

    But he also leads a Govt that grants them the right to stay here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    "Also we need to separate the issue of labour migration from the issue of asylum."

    Yes, correct.

    • EU immigrants who work = WELCOME
    • Non-EU immigrants on work visas = WELCOME
    • Bogus AS = not welcome.

    Many politicians deliberately conflate these issues.



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