Nuclear - future for Ireland?

Well aren't they embarking on a fresh wave of new NPPs? So us paying for 800 MW or 1 GW should be fairly small potatoes for them.

Realistically they would sell us a guaranteed amount at an agreed price over time. It's not like we'd fence off one reactor and raise an Irish tricolour inside the fence.

Ireland Inc would have to approach them and begin negotiations to find out whether they will or not. To answer your question again, the answer is still money 💰

The question Paddy has always been money.

Something I and others have asked about here and on other related threads where those that are opposed to nuclear, while being seemingly experts on nuclear, cannot give any detail for what they favour never mind the money it would cost.

Why you believe the French would be interested in giving us a dig out by building a nuclear plant to facilitate us I really have no idea. It`s not as if they need the business. They have a ready made market for all they can generate as it is due to the intermittent unreliable nature of renewables. They are exporting over 100 TWh, worth over €5 Billion annually, and are selling a further 100TWh to French renewable companies they require to keep them in business.

But lets say for the sake of arguement the French would be interested. Would it not make logical sense for Ireland Inc to know the cost of any alternatives before even thinking about looking to negotiate ?

The answer has always been money Paddy. It`s the answer that those here or on any related thread who are opposed to nuclear keep refusing to give.

the Celtic interconnecter is going way over budget. That’s for a simple cable. One could only imagine how much over budget a nuclear plant would be.

Who here is opposed to nuclear?

what many are saying is that it can’t be delivered within the next 40 years. So we need to look at what can be delivered

And secondly is the cost. The Loud pro nuclear are avoiding giving costs (or realistic deliver timelines )

40 is very reasonable for a project of that size in Ireland.
the metro was announced in 2006. And still not a turned turf turned.
and that didn’t have to face legislation change

I answered your hypothetical pointless questions.

Hinckley points costs are irrelevant as it’s sited on an existing nuclear facility

look back on i answered the question.

Here it is again

Due to SNSP limits Wind can’t be dispatched at 100%. Your question makes no sense. So no I’m Not saying they bid in to be 100%, each wind farm is different and they individually bid in . If they are dispatched they will get the SMP. what generator does not bid in to be dispatched.?? The market is designed so that the participants submit am offer in the hope that they are dispatched.

SCED will Identify which ones to run the older ones with firm connections will be prioritised.

Where a WF with a firm connection is not dispatched they will receive constraint or curtailment payments depends on the situation. They may also receive DS3 payments

In another reply I also said that when we’ll have a. mix of RES like pumped hydro and Hydrogn which will have. Avasociated and that will set the SMP. We neee inertia in the grid. 100% wind isn’t realistic

Do You want me to copy and paste my Answer again ?

what part of your question wasn’t answered?

If there is something you don’t agree with say so

they were al answered. Do I need to explain Security Constrained economic dispatch to you? I thought you knew everything

I answered your questions.. you are fooling no one

I have answered your questions. You fail

To answer the ones that are most relevant to this thread.

How much would a NPP cost?

If we decide to build one tomorrow, how long before it gets commissioned ?

You have not answered anything I have asked.

You have point blank refused while trying, as you are now, to distract and changing the subject.

If you want an answer to any of your question you know what to do. Answer the questions you have been asked.

In fairness those are 2 - no one knows - ..questions..

In theory it could be as little as 15 to 20 years from deciding to go for it to commissioning - all the way up to 40 plus to never ..

And when you think about how many election cycles that is , and how the world and irelands energy markets ,and priorities have changed since 1995

All that creates risk ,

And risk and extended timelines give you open ended price structures..

Oh the price of steel has doubled , in the last x number of months - oh the price of diesel and construction materials has jumped -

Or your nuclear construction is maxing out concrete production in Ireland, so the price of all construction has gone through the roof ..

To be absolutely fair , a project that you initiate now , thats estimated to cost 20 billion ( at 2026 prices ) . is obviously going to have cost inflation, that's pretty much the nature of big projects , and multi-year or multi decade projects those increases can compound massively..

And it doesn't matter whether its wind or nuclear , theyre both front heavy development and construction costs,

Nuclear just has the added disadvantage of being multi decade rather than multi year - and that also increases the cost of risk ..

Silvermines is like Turlough Hill and batteries for any prolonged period when wind and solar are generating little are all a one shot and they are done because they cannot be recharged.

This Carlow facility raises more questions than answers.

Who is going to pony up this €2 billion. The taxpayer/consumer ?

Converting electricity to hydrogen and back to electricity requires 3 units of electricity input for every unit of output, so how much will the electricity alone cost.

The general thinking appears to be that they will buy it from the market at a cheaper price than the strike price for the generation that we would not need or want. Problem with that is we have already lost a high court case where we have to pay them for that electricity so why would they bother. We are appealing that €158 million award to the E.U. Court of Justice, but as the High Court`s ruling was based on E.U. law I would not see any great hope of us being successful.

There is also the Capex and the Opex which will be added to the cost of the electricity, and I cannot see daily stand by charges not being a further expense. How much will all three add to consumers bill ?

Like everything else with renewables, the devil will be in the detail.