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Etiquette when over taking in Bike Lane

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    I very rarely cycle across town but I had to today, Knocklyon to Croke Park and back. I'd say between road works, puddles, potholes, manhole covers, other cyclists, pedestrians, and then buses, cars and vans in the cycle lanes, I spent as much time out of cycle lanes as I did in them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I'd say it wasn't a great experience?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,497 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    The Fairview lane is already congested causing delays. So much so that I am frequently seeing people opt for the road now. Add in the sometimes head scratching light sequencing and frequent full or partial lane blockages by cars crossing or parked and the dangerous end where it spits you into a busy bus stop at Connolly I cannot really blame people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Cycling in town is now experiencing the same issue cars have traditonally suffered from.

    Traffic means more people will get out of cars (and to an extent buses) and get on the bike/E Bike/E Scooter. Is quicker to a point until the lane is filled up and congestion is caused.

    Only when it comes to cars its always 'another lane' will fix it or widen the road. When it comes to bikes we have 1 sh*tty bike lane which is one way only.

    Lane needs to be three times its current widht and be made two way on each side.

    Another problem is different speeds - a road will have everyone doing the limit give or take (usually give) 10kph over. There isn't usually a problem with going into back of someone unless the car in front breaks suddenly.

    With the fairview cycle lane you have ejets on what are nearly mopeds now doing 25 miles per her along with someone who up until recently has never cycled/exercised doing just 10 miles per hour. Both of which usually have no bike handling or situational awareness.

    I'd be fairly fit and an experienced cyclist - when there is no traffic I'll easily hold 20+MPH and recently has just resorted to the road as its too dangerous on the cycle lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This staying perfectly in lane is not viable when the lane is narrow and has obstructions in it that you night have to swerve around. Cyclists move around a lot in lane and a close pass is asking for trouble.

    If you're going fast get into the next lane, the road and don't be moron by close passing and squeezing through gaps. All sorts in the cycle lane going different speeds.

    People cycle like they are in the tour de France and being fast gives them sort of right of way. It doesn't.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Good idea to check behind you to see if someone drafting you and if let them pass. Because you didn't want someone that close.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Two problems there

    A) Fast is subjective - the 'fast' E bikes and cyclists are probably doing just ⅔rds of Tour De France speed and thats being generous. Comparing the two is disingenuous.

    B) in the lane in this context there is no passing wide. Every pass I've ever done is probably within a ¼ of a metre due to how narrow the lane is.

    Of course if I can I'll do my best to pass wide but I'm not hanging behind at 10 miles per hour because I was given sh*tty infrastructure.

    As I stated in my previous post - I mainly take the road now but before when I did use the cycle lane point B applies.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    If you can't give sufficient space to overtake, then you don't overtake, the infrastructure being sh1tty doesn't give an excuse to close pass. If the lane is to narrow, you either wait or move out into the road when safe to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Tour de France is obvious hyperbole. Pedantry is not required.

    Fast I'd argue is not subjective but relative. Is one cyclist moving faster than the other cyclist.

    The unwillingness to slow down and insisting on staying in lane rather than in line with slower traffic is illogical and dangerous mindset.

    The law was changed so cyclists don't have to stay in the lane. For exactly reasons like this.

    Stubbornly refusing to be reasonable and practical is what causes accidents like this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Are people making more out of this issue than actually exists? I don't think I've ever had an incident/ issue like the ones being discussed when using cycle lanes. Most cyclists I meet on commutes seem capable of using common sense and a reasonable level of courtesy. If I'm using the cycle lane (which is only about 50%) of the time, and if I can't hop down onto the road (due to infrastructure), I find that I usually pass, relatively close to the other cyclist, but without issue. Have never had anyone give out to me for terrorising them. All that's needed is to slow the f**k down to match their speed before passing. It's not a race track and I accept that if I'm using the convenience of a bike path I have to accept that it's a slower shared space than the road. Don't do it if there's a risk that a nudge might send you into road traffic/ pedestrians etc.

    I'm not being smart - the OP question is a fair one - but I've just never come across this being a problem. The problem's I've encountered on cycle paths are generally 1) people using them contra flow when they're not designed to be and 2) pedestrians/ pedestrians with dogs treating them as an extension of the footpath. By now I know in advance which sections of my commute I'll use the cycle path on and which I'll stick to the road.

    In my experience cyclists are a lot more courteous to each other than motorists are to each other.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I've also rarely experienced it.

    But I have experienced it on the cycle lane in the Phoenix Park. A close pass by someone someone on a sports bike I'd say they were doing at least 30kph and passed within inches of me.

    I always thought if you're going fast move out into the road. That's what I do. It's obnoxious not to. IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The cycle track in the PP is almost highway-wide! Plenty of room there for two cyclists not to interfere with each other at all.

    The Fairview lane is much narrower in comparison.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I've only encountered rarely. and it is always from slower cyclists where an overtake isn't really viable and even though they were previously overtaken, they come up on your inside or outside while you are behind someone and even rub shoulders, throwing a darting look at you for their mistake. Even better if you meet them at a red light after overtaking them, they will then get off and waddle to the front and stop in front of everyone, taking time to get started again.

    As you said though, such a rare thing I never even realised it was a problem. The number who've done this to me I can count on one hand after 40 years of cycling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    The cycle lane should be as wide as the actual lane itself IMO.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It is not far off it, its pretty wide by Irish standards, certainly room for overtaking safely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Yep, there's acres of room in the PP unless yuo meet a lane hogger sitting right in the middle of the lane.

    Even then, plenty of opportunities to go out and around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Maybe the picture just makes it small.

    How much m wide is it do you know?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It was previously a car parking space, so that should be a good reference point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    When I experienced it was on the old cycle path. The one the cyclist died on.

    Run off was onto grass which was slippery and unknown hazards in it, like holes etc. you avoided coming of the path into grass.

    Just because some thinks they can go through the eye of needle is still risky passing another cyclist at speed. You can snag a handlebar. I was on a MTB with panniers.

    Besides what's the rush. It's not a strava time trial..



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I think he meant you can go out through the wands on to the road, but like that, if you can't, slow, wait, freewheel if you have sexy hive of bees hubs, ring a bell if that's your thing, if not, ask to pass. All that fails, just wait. Also way safer than the old path IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think you have take the context of a cycle lane. It's going to have all sorts in it, often close to pedestrians, it's an urban environment. It's a bit daft to just go flat out in it if it's not empty.

    It's not a cycle motorway or completely segregated like you might get between towns in Holland.

    Since someone ran into the back of the OP cries of "there's plenty of room" are a bit redundant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I find it interesting the opw did all that remove parking to provide a wide cycle lane in the park in the interests of pedestrian safety.

    But then fail to have a single pedestrian crossing (afaik) on that same main road in the park.

    Feels like it was more about denying cars use of the space than really being interested in safety. Especially since it took a death before they acted on years of warnings.

    Maybe I'm cynical.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    No different than a road, someone acting a d1ck is not the fault of the infrastructure. I had a guy ride into me when I stopped at a roundabout for traffic. I don't blame the roundabout. The point that it is a wide cycle lane remains valid IMO, and there are ways to overtake via merging into the lane beside it, there shouldn't be pedestrians where that photo is. I am in no way encouraging someone to go down it, head down like it is a world tour TT.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I've seen guys on aero bikes with the teardrop helmet in the park. If they collide with an animal in the park it's going to be very deer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Groan 😅

    The (new since 2020) PP bike lane is suitable for in-lane passing.

    Other bike lanes about the country, maybe not so much.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I find it interesting the opw did all that remove parking to provide a wide cycle lane in the park in the interests of pedestrian safety.

    The plan was to create new cycle lanes along the road because the old ones were persistently used by pedestrians despite the markings. It also meant that cyclists would hold a form not priority at junctions where previously they had to yield to side roads.

    But then fail to have a single pedestrian crossing (afaik) on that same main road in the park.

    Agreed although I thought there were requests for them (but may be misremebering)?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,555 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    My memory is people complained about the cycle lanes for years. Opw did nothing.

    Then in Covid so many went to the park in lockdown and over ran the cycle lanes they were forced to move the cycle lane to the road. I don't think opw was as proactive as you're suggesting.

    They've been trying to ban cars for years and lockdown people parked all over the place, so banning parking was a slam dunk for the opw.

    Worked out well for cyclists regardless of the reason why. I'm rarely in the park anymore..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Removal of the parking along Chesterfield Avenue has transformed the Phoenix Park.

    Fair play to Paddy O'Donovan for getting it done - was long overdue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,491 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Is every cycle not training? I don't think i can recall when cycling to work that i wasnt trying to beat my best time



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