Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD Mod Note Added 02/09/25

InAtFullBack · 09-06-2026 11:47PM

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It gives you an insight into the priorities of the state from the viewpoint of what can and cannot cross borders. It's far from the 'stupid analogy' you want it to be.

Mike Murdock · 09-06-2026 11:58PM

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That the Government cares more about lost revenue than lost or damaged lives?

Willie Power · 10-06-2026 12:34AM

There's serious anger in Loyalist NI. It's not last night's atrocity or migration alone.

It's the loss of their status over the last 30 years or so, their inherited seige mentality, the decline in their population numbers, the fear of abandonment and a United Ireland.

They're a powder keg. They have a history of taking arms against the crown to prove their loyalty to the crown.

All my life I grew up with the ideal of a United Ireland. But our population boom fueled by immigration is volatile enough, throw a million of them into the mix.. Migration might end up saving the Loyalists from a United Ireland in the near future.

Sandor Clegane · 10-06-2026 12:48AM

The reality is our government will never have a reasonable, grown up conversation about immigration, they're terrified of being labeled racist, far right or unprogressive, honestly that scares them more than the attacks like this one, its more important for them to be seen as perpetual do gooders who welcome anyone and everyone, to even suggest that there are negatives to the current immigration set up is sacrilege to them.

B2021M · 10-06-2026 01:06AM

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It doesn't affect them. They will act when it does

Iecrawfc · 10-06-2026 01:48AM

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Its a crazy situation, they just repeat the same platitudes about "inclusivity and welcoming" society. Why can't they say we dont welcome these type of people into our society and will do everything we can to vet people so situations like this are avoided AND stress the difference between legal migrants and vermin using the asylum seeker routes...these incidents just drive people to the far rightvand harden attitudes. Have centrist politicians just given up or dont care enough

Ozymandius2011 · 10-06-2026 02:24AM

Increasing the adult population by 1.5-2% a year was always going to put pressure on housing. Thats a policy choice of the government through the work permit system. While I agree we shouldnt tar nationalities with the one brush, I also think that politicians are often protecting themselves from criticism of policy, by engaging in the misdirection of accusing people with legitimate concerns of being racist.

Also I personally feel the Ukrainians were tarred with one brush by some people on social media as being here for welfare. It was the Government that introduced that system. It wasnt the fault of the Ukrainians.

zell12 · 10-06-2026 02:47AM

UK frontpages leading with the 'irish border backdoor' angle

gmisk · 10-06-2026 02:58AM

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I kind of knew what papers would lead with that angle before you posted them

RoyalCelt · 10-06-2026 04:29AM

From RTE:

He entered Northern Ireland across the Irish border in February 2023 having flown to Dublin from Paris.

The suspect claimed asylum upon arrival and in September 2023 was granted leave to remain in the UK until 2028.

Europe as a whole whether it be France, Ireland or the UK would be wise to adopt a Danish like model or better yet target the zero refugee policy they originally wanted.

Resplendent Moose · 10-06-2026 06:09AM

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So somebody can't get equal rights without those same equal rights being taken away from somebody else?

ledwithhedwith · 10-06-2026 06:14AM

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Paddy_Mag · 10-06-2026 06:26AM

Celebrating a criminal now. What a country

Paddy_Mag · 10-06-2026 06:45AM

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This is what happens when elected representatives ignore their constituents for years.

My own election candidates refuse to speak about it when they are canvassing. Often talking about how the impact immigration has had on the staffing in healthcare, totalling ignoring the vast numbers of Irish doctors, nurses, SNAs etc who leave.

Holly Cairns went on the Late Late show and states there is no link between immigration (basing it off actual numbers and not ratio) and crime yet on the past month we have had multiple savage murders and serious assault committed by immigrants who are arriving here via IPAS. We have also had the case of Yves Sakila, a career criminal who is being painted as a saint now.

Then we have Roderic OGorman and Ruth Coppinger and the murder in their constituency. It was literally on OGormans doorstep and he wasn't at the vigil for Alex Coughlan. Coppinger spent days banging on about Sakila and eventually posted about the murder in her own constituency probably after being pushed to.

But What are they debating, whether 2 football matches should be played or not. Let's not worry about fixing the issues such as out of control immigration, cost of living, housing, healthcare or the likes, no, let's bang the drum about some football matches.

And when challenged when out canvassing they dont want to discuss it.

Lately We have had multiple reports of immigrant men masterbating in public etc. put these guys in Helen MeEntees neighbourhood or next door to Holly Carins or Mary Lou and let's see if they then think "nobody can veto who lives in your neighbourhood". You can be guaranteed if their kids were under threat these guys would be moved on.

RoyalCelt · 10-06-2026 06:48AM

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Roderick not attending the vigil for Alex is a real eye opener.

patnor1011 · 10-06-2026 07:02AM

There is zero vetting going on and vetting of newcomers is actually impossible. While in some instances you can find out if they did something in other European country, there is zero chance to find out if they done something back where they come from. There are reports from few years back that some North Afrian countries literally emptied prisons off to small boats and shipped their undesirable elements out of the country. So everyone will suffer. People in Ireland to having to bear consequences of what criminal elements will do upon arrival and immigrants as a whole too as they all will be blamed for what bad ones among them are doing.

Paddy_Mag · 10-06-2026 07:24AM

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There has been significant abuse of the system though by ukrainians plus they were buggering off home for xmas and summer holidays.

When the government announced the phased cessation for Ukrainians in March, RTE went on to interview one woman here 4 years, who never worked, who complained about what her daughter would do as she is just finishing her trinity degree. We paid for that. Yet I've to stump up for my kids to go to college/Uni each of the next 10 years.

The main issue I think people have is not with immigration as a whole, its when its people who get favourable treatment, free healthcare, free third level, jumping housing lists. Ive already posted about my nephew and the affordable housing scheme so there pure anti Irish racism from the establishment effectively.

Throw in a significant undesirable element and it fuels the anger. Bertie was right ajd i know that because Govt and Opposition were singing from the same hymn sheet in the Dail.

The IPAS entrants and the likes of the Roma mob wont be paying for our pensions, as we are told is necessary, if they leech off the state long term.

listermint · 10-06-2026 07:27AM

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Interesting you mention the football matches. What's your take on the impact of the wars being waged by one country in a region to the knock on and purposeful effect of being fleeing to Europe ?

Would like to hear your take on that

paddyisreal · 10-06-2026 07:28AM

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what angle ? reporting facts that certain people don't like .

paddyisreal · 10-06-2026 07:30AM

listening to news talk and no wonder people are abandoning main stream media. no reporting that the scumbag came via Paris and Dublin before Belfast and also calling it a knife attack. selective reporting at its best

Stephen_Maturin · 10-06-2026 07:38AM

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I’m no fan of Musk or twitter but the truth is the without it and relying solely on our mainstream media we would have been told it was just a “stabbing”

Furthermore you had that mentaller Sinéad Gibney and the rest of the panel on Virgin last night complaining about how the video was allowed to be circulated and there should be consequences for the social media companies. This of course wasn’t challenged at all by spineless Shane Coleman who is of the same ilk as Gibney.
Genuine Orwellian censorship they want, can’t have the proles seeing what’s actually going on. Frightening stuff.

listermint · 10-06-2026 07:42AM

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Well that's a lie, that spread through Whatsapp groups then the news immediately. Not Twitter. And the incident was fully detailed in all of the media.

If you bother your arse just type belfast incident into Google and you'll get absolute **** tons of details all of them... On the murder.

The notion news doesn't travel without that shitehole hell site is a fabricated lie.

Google 'belfast incident ' you'd have had context in seconds.

paddyisreal · 10-06-2026 07:47AM

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it's not a lie though is it. listen to newstalk and it is reported as a knife attack in Belfast. no mention that the scumbag went through three different countries and tried to cut someonesheae off. nd the op is correct Coleman was more concerned about the video being distributed than the act and who did it.

SupaCat95 · 10-06-2026 07:48AM

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That is not true. They are documented when they arrive in Europe. The intelligence agencies know exactly who they are and where they came from. They do have digital records. The problem is there is no filtering at the boarders. Everyone is welcomed. Now after a couple of years the undesireables are detected and they are moved onto another country and then on to another until they arrive in the UK and what the UK doesnt want gets given to Ireland. I am not saying they are all bad people but they are DEFINITELY not all good people. Some girl near Dungargarvan was SA'ed and then when her family went to do research this guy had a string of 4 or 5 convictions across Europe. If an ordinary family could do that imagine what the EU intelligence service has?

walshb · 10-06-2026 07:58AM

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Hardly surprising….a career criminal here in Ireland almost got elected a TD a while ago….

_Kaiser_ · 10-06-2026 07:58AM

So Belfast has had its night of violence, Dublin riots style, following an attempted beheading on its streets.

Just as in Dublin, the focus today will be on the damage to property, the civil disorder, the "far-right" - and while I agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right when it comes to causing mayhem on the streets in the aftermath of what's happened, it's not surprising either that people are outraged and that there are those (just as there were here) who'll take advantage to go on a spree.

HOWEVER, that doesn't detract from the fundamental protest or concerns that most ordinary people on both sides of the border share about the attack in question and the factors that ultimately led to it - no more than it did when the attack in Dublin sparked the same outcome.

I did find it bemusing though to read Michelle O'Neill's comments about "groups of masked men burning families out of their homes is nothing less than disgusting cowardice” - she's absolutely right of course, but apparently forgetting her history a bit.

As I said, violence and mayhem on the streets is unequivocally wrong, but not just when white people do it. An attempted beheading, attacking children, murdering a young woman in a park, and every other disgusting act we've seen in the country over the last few years are equally inexcusable - yet we see many attempts to excuse when the perpetrators are a different colour or an alleged victim themselves.

I've said it many times but I'll say it again - we have more than enough home-grown criminals, gangs, murderers, rapists and other violent offenders that our Justice system and ultimately Government are failing to deal with in our society with the predictable and tragic outcomes for the victims

We absolutely do not need, and should not be, essentially importing even more violent and destructive people from countries and environments where such behaviour is commonplace and the attacks are even more brutal as we've seen - again - in the last 48 hours.

These people offer nothing to our country, nothing to our society and the Irish people but an unacceptable risk and threat, not to mention the costs of processing them and inevitably incarcerating them.

The fault (as everyone reading this knows) is a system that has enabled every random chancer, liar, fraudster, criminal, thug, rapist and murderer on the planet come try their luck if they fancy it. Even if their application is rightly rejected, the chances of them being actually deported is minimal, and the damage may have already been done at that point anyway.

The blame for this situation must ultimately lie with the Government and ministers who have actively and passively enabled this increasingly dangerous situation in our country - not just the current Dail either, but the previous one, and the one before that, right back really to the early 2000s.

Remember that when it comes to election days folks. Make smarter choices, demand answers, get familiar with your constituent politicians and where they stand, and hold them accountable when they ignore the issues that matter to you

The real issues - No one will care about that extension you got planning for when the country is divided among racial and religious lines (again!) and when even more victims of this outcome have suffered.

Make your voice heard - peacefully, constructively, respectfully - but make it very clear that that Ireland is not the future you want for your family, your friends, your neighbours or your grandchildren.

It's up to you and us. No one else is going to do it for us.

almostover · 10-06-2026 08:03AM

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This I can't understand. These people didn't give one cr*p about Yves Sakila during his 15 year criminal career. He dies then during apprehension by security staff and suddenly he's a martyr.

Honestly, it would sicken you. The barefaced gaslighting of it all. Same thing happened with George Nkencho. The do gooders didn't give a toss about him when he was suffering from mental health difficulties. But once he assaulted a shop worker and swung a big knife at Gardai resulting in him being shot and killed he became their hero.

The position of eulogising criminals just because of their race and their death during the act of comitting a crime needs to be challenged openly in the media.

almostover · 10-06-2026 08:46AM

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Perhaps he may not have been welcome at the vigil. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. He was inviting all and sundry to Ireland only a few years ago promising them the land of milk and honey. While blissfully unaware many of those he was inviting are completely intolerant towards his own sexuality. In fact it would be illegal to be gay in many of the countries he was inviting people in from. Net result, gang of intolerant feral youths attack and murder a gay man in his own constituency.

He probably realised he wouldn't be welcome and chose to stay away. The smell of hypocrisy off him would have been overwhelming anyway.

InAtFullBack · 10-06-2026 08:47AM

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I hope every British media embarrasses the hell out of the Irish Govt over this.

The only time the Irish Govt acts, is when the opinion of them by outsiders is negative.

We can protest all we like here, nada, crickets.

When a foreign media outlet or foreign government calls Ireland out on something, it gets changed in an instant.

Stephen_Maturin · 10-06-2026 08:55AM

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Excuse me, it is not a lie - the video was viewed millions of times on twitter and shared widely there. It was where politicians commented on the situation

The incident was not “fully detailed” in all of the media, that is a complete and utter lie. It was reported as a “stabbing” by RTE, the Irish Times and the Irish Independent, the largest and most influential media outlets in the country. It was not a stabbing.

Do not call me a liar before spouting off lies yourself.

I won’t be engaging with you any further when you’re cleared worked up in a lather and can’t have a calm discussion.

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