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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    And Aontu are left leaning so they cover people like me who'd rather be left policies but with a hardline on immigration. The problem in Ireland the right wing powers are in power but way to soft. They're on the EU gravy train path it seems.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,898 ✭✭✭combat14


    sounds like a ritualistic attempted killing

    the guardian Uk have comments (almost 2800) open how come our media has it censored



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,711 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Do you mean the one for Makerfield? Do you also mean restore or reform (I know they are basically two cheeks of the same arse). I think it is widely acknowledged the Restore candidate has very little chance of winning.

    If you mean reform....I can't see a lot of people voting for them here, despite Farage and his Up the RA statement lol

    I am pretty sure Labour will win it anyway Burnham is popular.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    A UI has never been proposed as a solution because it isn't a solution to the problem. I can offer another solution that would be far easier, cheaper, and quicker to implement: Garda and PSNI checks, backed up by fines and deportations. Based on what we saw during COVID, we know that our governments can put road checks in place nationwide within a matter of days. Implementing similar checks at the border and on public transport crossing the border would be much easier and is all that's needed in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,037 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Bertie, you were absolutely bang on the money!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,816 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I don't see them being the answer to be honest.

    We don't need a far right racist party in this country.

    We just need a government that will implement common sense laws.

    These common sense laws will be far right to a loud minority but in the real world are just common sense.

    I thought it would be a decade before we got this bad.

    What we have seen in the last few weeks is unprecedented, but this honestly looks like this is now our reality.

    We will be Sweden on steroids in a few years.

    Huge clap for all the do gooders.

    Edit to say, I don't mean Aounto are a far right racist party, the abortion and religious thing is too much for a lot of people and I wouldn't support them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Respectfully there’s around 300 proper roads crossing the border. Some roads cross the border two or three times and one road crosses either side of the border 4 times inside 10km. There simply isn’t the resources for that nor would locals tolerate sitting in a checkpoint for god knows how long each day. The border itself is 500km long so the army can’t do anything meaningful there. What you suggest would only scratch the surface as it would still be easy to cross.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,994 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    But isn’t 80/90% of those claiming asylum here coming from Britain via NI. Surely stricter rules between Ireland as a whole and Britain would impact that. Ignorance or disingenuous to claim otherwise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Credit the police for answering these questions swiftly.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭satguy


    If you live up north right now, maybe get down to Lidl and do a big shop..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,270 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    It takes 68 - 81 weeks to process an asylum claim.

    We spend €99 per person per night on DP accomm. The Dutch spend €13.50 per night.

    Since 1995, approx. 165,000 AS have landed here and made claims.

    The cost to process a claim is €122,000, stated by the Minister.

    That means €20 billion spent since 1995 on processing claims, and making massive profits for the accomm providers.

    Roderic O'Gorman TD and Catherine Day made things worse, by specifically promising "own-door acomm within four months" to AS, and distributing that invitation in eight languages.

    The majority of claims fail, but we let failed AS stay, by giving them leave-to-remain. This means they have refugee status (like the UKR people), and can then apply for the full suite of welfare and social housing.

    The Swiss have run a pilot project to process claims faster. For four specific countries, they now process claims in 24 hours.

    Compare that to our 68-81 weeks, and think of the costs.

    There are 20,000 appeals in the backlog.

    Extremely few of the 165,000 applicants have ever been removed from the country.

    A funny one for you: there are 95 American AS in Direct Provision. Yes, the Irish taxpayer pays €122,000 each to process their claims.

    That's approx €10 miilion wasted on months dealing with bonkers bogus asylum claims from people who live in the richest country in the world!!!

    And yet if you dare suggest any reforms………..you are a racist.

    Post edited by Geuze on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭Repro212


    I had to stop listening to that press conference. "We want everyone to stay safe, stay safe, stay safe" was the order of the day, all the while they preside over a policy that lets unlimited numbers of people including many who are here to take the piss, who are mentally ill or who simply despise us pour in unchecked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah we want everyone to stay safe too but it's not the current policy.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭Migdal_Or


    No. The 80% figure originated as a government estimate rather than a verified statistic. It was challenged because the Department of Justice did not have verifiable data showing how asylum applicants had entered the State, and the claim was not supported by published entry statistics. Also, even with a UI, how are you planning on solving the issue? We'd have a CTA with the UK, and our relationship with the EU would be unchanged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,625 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    What you say is true that not all roads along the border can be patrolled but the main access routes can and by that I mean checks on the main roads, bus routes and trains.

    The guy in question here got on a bus and went up there surely this can be checked at both ends. Also I am sure Somalians or Sudanese folks don't know all the back roads and boreens that cross over the border.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Willie Power


    True. It's the black and white of modern politics, that many follow, which annoys me.

    Right = Strong on Immigration, Pro Trump, Pro Life, Anti EU, Vaguely Want A Return to A Catholic Celtic Utopia, Pro Israel.

    Left = Soft on Immigration, Anti Trump, Pro Choice, Pro EU, Secular, Pro Palestine.

    Most of us are a mixture. I'm pro Palestine, a practising Catholic who doesn't want a return to the 1950s, want proper Immigration controls etc. And anti Trump!

    "He might be an eejit, but he's our eejit"
    Willie Power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,170 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Then they stop using the main routes,

    They don't need to know the roads and boreens, someone who does will offer that service. Same as everywhere else



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    HHow The hell could that scum get on a plane in Paris and travel to Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    The following is from the Wiki for the Shankill butchers.

    The gang kidnapped, tortured and murdered random civilians suspected of
    being Catholics; each was beaten ferociously and had their throat
    slashed with a butcher's knife. Some were also tortured and attacked
    with a hatchet. The gang also killed six Ulster Protestants over personal disputes and two other Protestants mistaken for Catholics.

    Definitely an imported problem, yeah. Psychos are psychos not matter where they're from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭satguy


    Me too,, When they said we need more diversity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Belfast gonna get its version of November 2023 tonight judging by social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    Just think of the industries this charade props up.

    Third level colleges - TU's are full of the children of welfare migrants, to the point they cannot even provide accommodation offers to students not part of the system.

    Small landlords for fixer uppers and hedge funds falling over each other to get tenders for apartment blocks, ever increasing rents and a certain return on investment to the selected classes.

    NGO and semi state orgs which offer representation supports, bus companies, taxi operators, counsellors, translators.

    GP services which have a floor of income beyond their wildest dreams and never have to advertise for patients again.

    Small builders who have a never ending payroll of work from councils and central government for prefabs, refit etc. Northern construction firms building apartments already paid for by taxes never to be set foot in by tax payers.

    There is a big split coming within the Irish people, those who are creaming it don't want this to end, the rest want a return to controlled migration where everyone who comes settles in and pays their way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'd like to know how he got through the airport in Paris? What grounds did he travel..

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,851 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    RTE Nuacht before the Six-One news is leading with a story about a historic paedo that 'should have been stopped earlier' and leaving the NI incident second. I doubt they'll ever lead on a story about a Sudanese man who could have been stopped earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Scar001


    How did he get thru Dublin airport and onto a bus if he wasn't claiming asylum here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,336 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Don't see how it was a mystery?

    He probably bought a ticket like me or you, got on the plane. Got off in Dublin and then got transport to Belfast.

    Is there something I'm missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    They tell customs they are seeking asylum and they get told to make their way to Mount Street. Ive actually see it happen after a flight from Luton before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,928 ✭✭✭archfi


    Well first of all he’d have to have a visa for travel to Ireland legally unless he was an EU passport holder but then he couldn’t be, could he?

    I wonder will we ever find out.

    "What does that even mean, vetting?"

    -Michael Martin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    He's from Sudan,htf does a Sudanese rock up to an airport in Paris and go to Dublin,surely he needs a visa,we have no links to Sudan that would merit visa free travel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,928 ✭✭✭archfi


    And there ya go, literally open borders zero restrictions, zero responsibility.

    Free to roam wherever they want within minutes of arrival.

    "What does that even mean, vetting?"

    -Michael Martin



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