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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In fairness, the ones who claim to be from the traditional right but then declare people are trying to silence them tend to be the far right...

    Post edited by eightieschewbaccy on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The far left are very racist

    The far left assume every "minority" group must have their hand held through life and can't possibly function without their help , they practice the racism of low expectations which of course is extremely racist but they are so blinded by self righteousness they can't see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Racism, homophobia, misogyny and transphobia all exclusively come from the right

    That's a blatant lie. None of the above have anything to do with right wing conservative ideologies, they are traits of the far right AND far left.

    You're doing this:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    No, they don't tend to be far right, that's a lie. And calling everyone far right / nazi only serves to dilute and normalize the term - when everyone you disagree with is far right then no one really is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,951 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Posters can glance over how extreme some of the views of posters who claim to be not far right are. Their posting histories are not moderate. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No, the only lies here are from you. Feel free to provide evidence.

    Do you not find it a bit tedious to be typing the same silly sentences in over and over again?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    I would refer you to the chart I've just posted - views that are now considered far right they used to be viewed as common sense not too long ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Well, only if you take the maximalist interpretation of tolerance. I think it's been discussed to death that maximalist tolerance is impractical. So expecting them to live up to an impossible standard that you imposed on them, isn't sensible.

    YouYou're entitled to impose any standards you want on other people, of course. But it's a bit foolish to act surprised when people don't live up to them.

    You did suggest you had "numbers and statistics". Do you plan to share them or are they a secret?



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    That is not a chart, that is a comic. Examples would work to prove your point better, if it is possible to do so. There are both right and left wing views that are for the most part fine, acceptable to most people, even if they don't fully agree with them. The problem is more that people now use the terms without consideration, and therefore alienate what might be reasonable points.

    Specifically to your point that racism, homophobia, misogyny and transphobia are far right and far left. While both extremes have issues, mainly in that it seems to attract people looking for a fight rather than constructive ideology, and in Ireland we have the rent a mob crowd who often claim both far left and far right views, without any deep understanding of either, they however are typically far right, often claiming not to be.

    Anyway, long story short, racism, homophobia, misogyny and transphobia are routinely known to be far right ideologies, routed in authoritarianism, nativism and belief in top down social hierarchies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    racism, homophobia, misogyny and transphobia are routinely known to be far right ideologies

    That's not true - they are not ideologies, certainly not not political ideologies, and just as common among far left and right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The far left think women should give up their rights to sex segregated spaces in order to accommodate biological men ,this is an example is sexism from the far left.

    The far left think lesbians preference for entering a relationship with only biological women is transphobic, this is a prime example of sexism and misogyny

    The far left think that white people who never owned slaves should have to pay reparations and apologise for slavery to people who never were slaves, this is a prime example of racism as it's tarring all white people as being guilty for the sins of a very small proportion of white people from hundreds of years ago.

    The far left regulalrly practice the racism of low expectations and seem to act like "minorities" are morons who need to be helped through life.

    The far left are regularly in favour of hiring practices that favour people based on characteristics other than whether they are the best for the job, this is an example of racism and sexism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth 8-bit


    Pat Rabbitte blames Pat Carey same as Donald Trump blames Joe Biden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'll never understand the demented, all-consuming hatred of trans people that some people have.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Since you've moved past it, can we acknowledge that your claim to have numbers and statistics to back up your point, was made up? In the heat of the moment you pretended to have stats to back up your opinion. But they didn't exist. Can you acknowledge that before moving on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Historically the deaths in prison camps and genocides under far left regimes greatly exceeds anything done under far right regimes. Then we have the UK grooming gangs, where hundreds of innocent girls were allowed to be raped simply because the #bekind mob was too scared to be unkind to those who deserved it. Then, more recently, a right wing activist was murdered by a #bekind trans ally, and there are way too many cases of people being arrested over things they said (on social media or otherwise), things that are not in any way illegal nor should they be illegal. So, no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 237 ✭✭migrant


    That not all votes should be regarded as equal. Weighting by life-expectancy remaining. Young people have much more stake in the nation's future than the old do. For the country to get policies with a longer time horizon we need people to be willing to pay for something a decade or more in coming to fruition, Not just a promise of a handout this winter, the future be damned,.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So once again you have no figures. Just the same tedious drivel over and over again.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The rise of chatbots illustrates that some people seem to be desperate to have others do their thinking for them. This is quite dangerous as the owners of these things are not neutral, benevolent people. They actively want to take human knowledge and culture behind a paywall.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,113 ✭✭✭optogirl


    #bekind is not an organised group of people - you are typing furiously about a made up 'mob'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think the pandemic broke some people in certain ways. Like, having to stay inside and/or wear masks for the safety of others just changed them for the worse. The levels of hatred and outrage provoked by the words "Be kind" are quite illuminating.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,070 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Prison Camps? Are you suggesting the Nazis were part of the #bekind group? Or dis you mean sone other #bekind prison camps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,944 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    1.2 to2.2 million killed by Pol Pot (far left)

    40-80 million killed by Mao Zedong (far left)

    6-9 Million killed under Stalin (far left)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They have much more in common with today's right than left.

    Can you prove they were using the hashtag that Cordell is so obsessed with?

    Finally, Christians have killed hundreds of millions so there's that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So you're reduced to competing on whether Mao, Stalin, Hitler etc were worse? You are cherry picking to suit your agenda. Also the Christian right across the globe has caused considerable harm including here that includes abuse, homophobia, misogyny but I guess that wouldn't suit the argument.

    Personally I'm not sympathetic to either far left or far right regimes btw. You are extreme btw and the kinds of arguments you're making only serve to support this fact.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I'm not far left as far as I know, so forgive me for not grasping all of your points, I could just as easily make up a similar statement about the far right, and just like your post, there would be either errors or simply unprovable facts, like this:

    • The far right think women should give up their rights to sex segregated spaces in order to accommodate a fear of Trans people, this is an example is sexism from the far right.
    • The far righty think lesbians preference for entering a relationship with only women is unnatural, this is a prime example of misogyny.
    • The far right think that certain white people should be at the top of the social food chain, and should not have to apologise, pay taxes to help society, this is a prime example of authoritarianism
    • The far right regularly practice the racism of low expectations and seem to act like "minorities" are morons who need to be controlled.
    • The far right are regularly in favour of hiring practices that favour people based on characteristics other than whether they are the best for the job, this is an example of racism and sexism. (That one is my favourite as I only had to change left to right for it to make sense).

    This again shows the issues with the supposed far left and far right, so obsessed with being right, that they rarely take the time to think, what is right.

    Those in the Centre typically look at all of the above and think:

    • Sex segregated spaces are in the main, bathrooms and changing rooms, most of which have stalls for changing
    • People can be attracted to whoever they want, and they can act on it provided the other person is OK with that, and if they aren't, they don't
    • Taxes should be applied fairly so they don't punish those who barely earn a living but also make sure that those who can afford it with no loss in quality to their lifestyle, contribute a bit more, because most of them are there through either inheritance or by using this system that helped them get there.
    • Most centre of the spectrum people try not to pre bias their opinion of people, most likely do due to the way they were raised but it is not intentional and can normally be easily overcome with a sentence or two.
    • Most people in the centre realise that everyone deserves a chance at a job, provided they have the capability, want and drive, some people mistake the attempt to give those who reach that line but may have other barriers to the workforce as some sort of unfair advantage, when in fact it is simply equity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭csirl


    Nazi means Natiional Socialist. Their society bore all the hallmarks of a left wing government i.e. authoritarian, state control, censorship, lack of free speech, lack of diversity etc etc. They were as left wing as the USSR, but with some additional extreme racism throw in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,422 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    By the same logic, you can call North Korea democratic because of the name.

    Trump supporters wave Swastikas for a reason. Trump keeps a book of Hitler quotes beside his bed as well.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭csirl


    You just pointed out another characteristic of socialist ststes e.g. East Germany called itself the German Democratic Republic even though it was neither democratic or a republic.



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