Nuclear - future for Ireland?

……. and you got my answer. That I was sick sore and tired of posters continually asking questions who refused to answer a single question they are asked.

I told you clearly I had no problem answering what you wanted, but first you answer the question that you have been continually running away from. What is the plan you favor and what will it cost.

That should not be a problem for someone on what the favour. Especially when they have so much to say on what they oppose.

Personally I find it extreme bad manners that knowing clearly what was needed if you wanted an answer, you nevertheless choose to include my name in a reply to another poster as if you did not.

I wasn`t pleading injury. I just found it extreme bad manners when you clearly already knew the situation. In fact it is not just bad manners. Unless they have changed the rules, not allowed.

I have answered questions on a whole range of different topics here. You on the other hand……

If you want an answer to your question that stop running, hiding, trying to distract and answer what you have continually refused to.

You may need to read my post again Paddy.

I said I hadn`t seen anything from you as to what you favor and what it would cost. Not what you are opposed to.

Excellent.

So why don`t you start by telling us how you see us getting there seeing as you appear to believe you have put much more thought into it than I have.

Is that why despite asking a hundred times you haven’t been able to give a costing of current approach Ireland is being pushed down which already resulted in Europes most expensive electricity

if that’s the case then the questions about the costs of it all which none of the proponents are able to answer become even more relevant

440 MW which sounds suspiciously like the Soviet reactors you were arguing against earlier

So you either believe that SMRs will be available and financially viable soon or you believe we should do a deal with Russia to restart building 440 MW reactors that the stopped building 40 years ago, because I don`t see anyone else building them.

I have said here before I will believe in SMRs when I see them operational and financially viable.

Far as I am concerned they are now being mentioned by some who, although they know we will never reach zero emissions without nuclear, are attempting to kick the can as far down the road as possible to ensure we are tied into an every recurring round of huge capital spends on renewable that would leave us with the most expensive charges on the planet, an economy in ruins and we would still be paying fines for not being in emissions compliance.

A cutting off their nose to spite their face exercise.

Both still use thermal distillation and reverse osmosis. For reverse osmosis the are using electricity, and for thermal distillation they are using the heat from thermal electricity generating plants.

Any sign of those figures that show when we get free electricity when renewable companies bid €0.00 per MW for 100% of the electricity requirements rather than you wasting both your time and mine time attempting more of your distractions ?

I literally named half a dozen sites in the EU that are operating VVERs and now they will have EU provided fuel and some already have western controls.

There have been many completed since 2004 when the Eastern bloc countries joined the EU. Like these comments were in the last 2 weeks and you replied to them. Can you not remember?

Build them without Russian involvement. The designs are known. Russian fuel no longer needed.

I've initially mentioned Ireland Inc investing in an extra Flammanville reactor with a 1 way interconnector to Ireland.

I've now mentioned several existing in EU reactors and possible locations with Ireland.

2-0 to me. You guys don't make pro nuclear comments. Only super negative anti renewable rhetoric. It is plain for all to see.

Their desalination plants were coupled with electricity demand and they operated in the market and were dispatched by the TSO like a regular thermal plant, they are moving from that model.

Where did i ever say we get free electricity? They bid €0/MWh to get picked up and receive whatever the SMP is. The SNSP is capped at 75%…. The SMP generally increases as wind generation decreases.

"As wind generators do not consume fuel they have no short term costs and hence
can bid a zero price to the SEM. As price takers in the SEM, they receive the SMP set
by the most expensive generator for their output in that half hour trading period. By
displacing higher cost fossil fuel generation, wind generation tends to reduce the
total cost of producing electricity and hence the SMP."

Impact-of-Wind-Generation-on-Wholesale-Electricity-Costs-in-2011.pdf

"It is worth noting that the current draft I-SEM rules prohibit wind generators from submitting negative bids Balancing Market. They will, however, be able to bid at €0/MWh, which will depress the prices at which other competing generators types will bid at. To what degree the final market design will allow non-wind generators to bid at or less than €0/MW"

Negative Pricing - European Insights (Part 2) - ElectroRoute

You know what`s required .

The answer to the question you and others have been avoiding all through this and other related thread. What do you propose and how much will it cost

Where you getting this 100% from? Are you talking future tense in like 50 years? well hopefully they will have taking solar and wind out of the market and pay them a fixed price. Hydrogen, hydro, nuclear etc will have costs associated with them so there will always be a marginal price, possible even negative ones.

SECD will curtail some so they wont get on and will receive nothing

as for additions? What timeline are you talking about, at the moment there will be no additions. One possibility could be that energy moves to a broadband type connection with a monthly fee, and a fair usage policy.

So to answer your question, no one is is in a position to tell you what happens we we get to 100%, its so far down the line and, but you just keep thinking of hypothetical questions and expect an answer.

I previously suggested we build one in Hinkley point and run an interconnector directly over to us.

Are you saying that renewable companies do not bid €0.00 per MW on a regular basis here for 100% of demand, or is it that you do not know what happens when the do as to who generates what and why, who gets paid for that generation and at what rate, and the extras added to consumers bills because of it ?