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All brake discs warped

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭mk7r


    Loads of fake brand name parts on ebay and amazon at the moment, definitely wouldn't be buying from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    I agree with you on the price being too high, but more so on the parts side, imo labour is okay, not the cheapest but okay maybe get a quote from a garage and see is there a difference.

    I was just providing information on the MacPherson strut not looking for an argument at all. If the OP is happy to pay those prices then there's no issue.

    I dont think watching a video and doing the work is comparable tbh, things can go wrong. Maybe the mechanic has accounted for that in his labour quote.

    The people on here are a great bunch no idea what you're on about



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Wasnt aware of that at all, I've ordered off them a few times and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary and parts have lasted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭BrianD3




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭lucalux


    Thanks lads appreciate you guys weighing in (just dont be falling out will ye! 😄 )

    i just need opinions and people's own experience on what is the norm for this kinda job, thats v helpful right now

    The labour I felt sounded a bit high -

    he asked me did I want to pay cash, I said sound.. thinking he wont charge full whack including insurance and overhead costs for that labour, but maybe hes a very slow worker?!

    I understand the front shock is more work alright

    Parts sounds v high to me. Adding up a few brands I was coming up with more like the amazon list posted by Blake but thought I was missing something. Those parts he'd be getting vat free as well so I don't know at all?!

    Am waiting on the other quote so itll be interesting to see what he says



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,278 ✭✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,037 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    From a look on eurocarparts, Eicher discs and pads and "Optimal" springs and mounts come to about 560. I didn't find the drop links but presume they are small enough money. I've used Eicher brake stuff before, it seems fine.

    That's for two springs etc. it sounds from a couple of posts now that you may only be getting one spring and mount in which case the parts price is very high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Buyer gets the parts on trade discount and 23% vat on top.

    Owner is charged retail price labour and vat 13% on the end of the bill.

    Nice back yard guys cannot charge vat as not registered to do so and cash only.

    Motor factors will give give you make and models to fill in and receive whats available and prices.

    Forgot to mention the shape of that coil spring wont be easy to compress .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    OP i think everyone here is in agreement the price is too high, I'd reckon it wouldn't be too different to what a garage will quote you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,529 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    I read somewhere that brake pads contain asbestos or something similar.... you are not really supposed to be handling them or inhaling brake dust.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,167 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    I got brembo discs and pads for my lexus off autodoc for around €200 before Christmas.

    I did them myself but if there's lads charging around 300 for labour, I think I'll pack in my job and start doing them for people.

    Two hours should be enough time for labour.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,278 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Yeah like I said above I generally pay about €150 to €200 + 13% VAT from a proper mechanic for the same job. Another mechanic I know charges about €160 cash



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    I think in the olden days they did but not anymore, most pads are semi-metallic these days, still not very nice stuff though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭mk7r


    They come in very similar boxes with the right part numbers etc, it's only obvious when you put genuine beside the fake. Amazon and eBay don't seem that interested in doing anything about it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Fair enough I'll do a bit of inspection so the next time I order from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    Just remember even in a garage when you give all the information the size and makes fitted Girling , Bendix , Lockheed they change the braking system in the car and might also be a name on the master cylinder for a guide.

    Compare all sizes with brake disc side by side and on flange for same height or depth.

    If you have to send them back how long will you be off road.

    Back discs as someone said might have bearing built in but not sure .

    Second issue is wind back pistons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 lorna-luxe


    The customer pays the trade price plus 23% VAT on parts, and the owner gets retail labor with 13% VAT on the final bill. Unregistered backyard mechanics can't charge VAT. You can use Vatcalc.Onl to quickly find out both VAT rates and see how they compare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭9935452


    Amazon will be fine as long as you look at who you are buying off of.

    Buy bosch off the bosch shop you are fine. Also a quick check on reviews n feedback helps too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    As I said, I've never had an issue with parts from Amazon and i usually go with the best reviews but they can be faked easily.

    Im awful paranoid now because over the years I have bought a good deal of parts from them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭lucalux


    Comjng back to this as I'd appreciate a bit more insight from you guys.

    Got the pads and discs done last July, all four corners.

    CaCar was in for a service last month and a suspension/brakes check as I felt the wheels were wobbling on braking and generally just felt very skittish on the road, handling had gone very wobbly

    Actually thought a wheel was wobbling front offside at one stage

    Mechanic told me I was raving 🙄but that all brake discs were warped again.

    Now... I don't ride the brakes. I'm not tearing round the place and hopping on them all the time. Getting into my Sunday driver phase of life. With that, I don't do huge mileage and the car sits for a few days at a time, but I tend to notice rust on the discs and do a couple of controlled brakes once they're warmed up to clean them

    Would I be at all right in saying that, failing a bad batch of discs, or pads, there could be an issue with calipers? Or suspension components?

    Car is due back in today to get the fix done but I just want to know what else needs checking as the mechanic isn't the lad to be preempting further problems I think?

    Any and all opinions or advice very welcome thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,278 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    Maybe they used really cheap brake discs last time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭lucalux


    thanks, yeah I remember telling him to use more mid-range ones and I'm fairly sure I checked the brand and boxes on the day, cant remember what they are now ofc

    He said they're in warranty and he'd get them replaced for me

    If they were maybe I just got unlucky I suppose?

    Just worried about something being missed if he's fully focused on brakes and not checking suspension as a possible cause?

    Days like this I wish I knew more about cars ha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭greasepalm


    We have had to do multiple Disc and pad replacement as when road tested got the usual hoppy pedal and NO CHARGE TO THE CUSTOMER.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭mk7r


    Brand is important, the likes of eicher from euro car parts are pure dirt. The other thing that's important is the hub has to be absolutely spotless before fitting the new discs, you can't have any rust or buildup or the discs will be juddering again in no time. Lots of mechanics skip cleaning the hub properly because it's a pain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Should also check that the calipers are sliding and not sticking, as this can overheat the discs and warp them

    Also that the caliper pistons are not sticking and keeping the pad in contact with the disc, as this can also overheat

    But unlikely this if its all 4 corners but definetley worth mentioning



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,212 ✭✭✭9935452


    They are doing them u der warranty so you are lucky.

    But in general i find a lot of small mechanics just use what the motor factors have on the shelf. Which a lot of the time is cheap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭mk7r


    You can probably split mechanics 50/50 between those that will only use the cheapest garbage and those that will only fit quality, there doesn't seem to be much middle ground.

    We had a customer come to us after having new wishbones fitted elsewhere and the car then couldn't be tracked for some reason. What was that reason?

    Starline wishbones, one longer than the other despite being the correct part number

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    Anyone who thinks for one second that car parts have to meet a minimum standard or have to pass safety checks to be sold are just kidding themselves, there is plenty of downright dangerous stuff for sale out there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭lucalux


    So he used Comline pads and discs. The job was done very quick so now I'm wondering about how thoroughly, or if, he cleaned the hub

    Thank you, this is kinda what I'm looking for as I haven't come across this issue ever before, esp on all 4 corners.

    I think it is worth getting the brake components checked more thoroughly by someone else. Pistons and calipers and lines

    This man is under serious pressure atm and is about to move away, so it felt like he didn't want to do any more work tbh

    I probably need to get a wheel alignment and suspension check done as well now right?

    Like it's hard to tell if there's pulling caused by any sticking pedals if I don't

    I was waiting on getting the brakes sorted before getting new tyres and if I can't trust him to double check brake components I may get another look done at the suspension while I'm getting the brakes checked

    I'll see if I can get my old retired mechanic to have a look at it maybe

    Having to find a new (good) mechanic again is always a pain isnt it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭mk7r


    Comline is the worst of the worst absolute bottom of the barrel stuff



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭lucalux


    Huh. Thanks.

    That was my fear from the get go. I googled them and kept getting mixed reviews

    Couldn't have been clearer to him (both times) that I really didn't want to cheap out on brake components.

    He got annoyed that I'd even ask him what brand, or that I would question details at all 🙄

    **** it anyway



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